3 ex-mayors questioned in Post 3 commission race

Fayette County Commission Post 3 candidates (L-R) Don Haddix, Steve Brown and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Three former Peachtree City mayors who are seeking election to the post 3 seat of the Fayette County Commission, which has the largest swath of city voters, were grilled Monday night at a forum hosted by the Fayette County Republican Party at City Hall.

Challengers Don Haddix and Harold Logsdon flanked incumbent Steve Brown at the dais, and though there were a handful of residents from all over the county in attendance, only voters who live in District 3 will be allowed to vote in the race due to the court-ordered application of district voting this year.

The topic of district voting, the result of a lawsuit filed by the NAACP, was a significant one addressed by the candidates.

Brown said the district voting map adopted by the court is a gerrymander based solely on the voters’ race, and he contended that “all case law says you can’t do that based on race.”

Pointing out that the lawsuit sought district voting as a relief for black voters, Brown noted that it has now morphed into another intent.

“Now all of a sudden it’s not about what we think: electing Democrats is what it’s really about,” Brown said. “There is no constitutional protection for the election of Democrats in any jurisdiction in the United States. ... We’ve got a rift now in our county and I hope we can heal that, I really do, because there’s a lot at stake.”

Haddix said he does not support preferential treatment in voting, and he feels it is not constructive based on other places he has lived which have adopted it.

Haddix said he felt the county needed to be united as one district, not divided into five different districts.

Logsdon said based on what he has been told, the county’s attorneys feel confident they will win on appeal. Logsdon said he felt the map was an unlawful gerrymander. Logsdon added that it will not cost much more to appeal the lawsuit than has already been spent on the case.

Haddix and Logsdon noted that Brown has the advantage on this particular issue because he is privy to the advice of the county’s attorneys, which is kept secret by attorney-client privilege.

Candidates also were asked if they would favor bringing sewer service into the unincorporated county if there was a way for the county to keep its current land use plan intact.

Logsdon said he prefers to use sewer because of the water that is reclaimed in the process, but he said the key would be maintaining the land use plan to avoid a potential overdevelopment by maintaining a low density and keeping the county’s small-town image.

Haddix and Brown said they would not support bringing sewer into the county. Haddix said the land use plan could easily be changed by future elected officials and cut down on greenspace. Haddix noted that he supported Fayetteville’s Pinewood Atlanta Studios project, but he felt the city’s annexation was too big.

Brown said he would consider extending sewer into the county only for government buildings, citing the failing septic tank at Tyrone Elementary as an example where it would be helpful. Otherwise, extending sewer into the county would be used to justify an increase in density, Brown added.

The candidates were asked if they felt regional governance was the best way to address regional concerns such as transportation and air quality.

Brown touted his participation in fighting against the 2012 regional transportation sales tax, adding that he would be okay with regional governance as long as home rule is protected.

“As long as we are not forcing the region to pay for other people’s projects, I’m OK with the Atlanta Regional Commission,” Brown said.

Logsdon said ARC is helpful in distributing money from the federal government for certain programs, but he feels ARC has no authority over county decisions.

“We have got to maintain local authority, and you cannot have that with regional governance and make it work,” Logsdon said.

Haddix said ARC is pushing the region to urbanizing including plans for bus and rail service here with control centered in agencies like ARC.

“That, folks, is regional government and I have no use for that and am totally opposed to that,” Haddix said.

The candidates also weighed in on how best to handle property tax abatement issues for large businesses moving to the county. The abatement process is not controlled by the county commission but by the Fayette County Development Authority, a separate agency for which the county appoints five of its eight current members.

Brown in particular has been critical of what he touted as a failure of FCDA’s leadership in communicating the tax abatement offered to Pinewood Atlanta Studios.

Haddix said the authority followed state law but it should have consulted with the county government because of the potential loss of tax dollars. Haddix said the county needs a strong development authority and he wants to make it even stronger.

Brown said the commission should have been involved in the process because “we’re talking about hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

“We demanded accountability, and we stood for accountability,” Brown said.

Logsdon said the commission should have been privy to the Pinewood tax breaks, but there was plenty of opportunity for county officials to ask questions, given that Pinewood was announced last February and the abatements were voted on near the end of the year.

“If I am your commissioner, I won’t wait for them to come tell me about what’s going on,” Logsdon said. “I will be keeping in touch so I will find out and we won’t get blindsided.”

Logsdon added that if the authority failed to inform him of a tax abatement, he would advise them not to do it again, “but I don’t think you need to implode an organization just because of miscommunication.”

On other issues addressed during the candidates’ opening statements:

• Brown touted the commission’s success in rehabilitating the county water system, while Haddix claimed there were long-known problems with brown water coming out of residents’ faucets.

• Logsdon said the county needs to focus on educational opportunities brought in large part by the location of Pinewood Atlanta Studios, including the possibility of bringing a technical college campus here.

• Haddix criticized the current commission for spending $1.4 million to acquire land for the East Fayetteville Bypass even though the project is currently unfunded. He drew a comparison to an $850,000 land purchase Brown’s city council made a number of years ago to build a cart path bridge over Ga. Highway 54 West that has never been built due to lack of funding.

• Brown said the county’s economic momentum will continue and progress is being made on the interchange project to improve traffic flow at Interstate 85 and Ga. Highway 74, which is in Fairburn but used by many city commuters going to and from Atlanta.

• Logsdon said the county needs to continue to address the needs of the growing senior population, but it also needs to attract young professionals to live here by creating “live, work, play” communities.

• Haddix criticized Logsdon for “bailing out” the city’s tennis center during Logsdon’s term as mayor. Brown would later jump in and argue that he didn’t blame Logsdon because “somebody had to do it.”

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Brown is where the action is

Both Steve Brown and Harold Logsdon have detailed websites. In fact, I'd even go so far to say that they each have aggressive platforms. Logsdon makes a one-time presentation about what he's done, and what needs to be done.

Brown, on the other hand, not only continues to discuss what he's done, but how he will fulfill his platform agenda. Logsdon has shown beyond all doubt that he prefers to remain behind the scenes. This standoffishness demonstrated by Logsdon leads me to believe that if elected, he would distance himself from the public, as former commissioners did.

Brown has promised that he will meet with his constituents one-on-one. Time and time again, he has visited his constituents on their property at their request to discuss county related problems. In meetings, he has mixed into the crowd at a packed commissioners' room, handing folks the microphone and addressing their concerns before all attendees. And you can see it all on TV.

Several times after Mr. Brown took over the chairmanship of the BOC, an ex-commissioner hurled accusations against Brown, yet was allowed to speak until he was done. He never stayed long enough to listen to the BOC's response, and finally gave up his quest to disgrace Brown.

I am greatly concerned over Mr. Logsdon's reluctance to explain why he was not able to balance the PTC budget. But at least he's not blaming anybody else for it. He has a platform. But what will he do to accomplish his goals?

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mrobinson's choice Logsdon

And yes I copied this off a web site ...

- When asked what community roles he'd assumed recently, did not cite a single county-wide effort that he'd lead since leaving the mayor's office in 2009.

· While serving as Mayor, Logsdon set up a for-profit business with the City Manager.

· He went on a lavish all-expense paid trip to Asia funded by a company that received significant financial and tawx incentives

· He would not make the necessary budget corrections to protect the city from deficit spending

· He sued a sitting mayor over an emailed comment to an employee that had no public exposure. It was totally uncalled for and a huge distraction.

· He repeatedly claimed in his recent race for mayor that he brought the satellite campus for Clayton State University to Peachtree City- which is not factual. The City Council attracted and furnished the satellite campus for Clayton State during Brown's mayoral term, as clearly written in the March 21, 2002 meeting minutes.

· He publicly supported Brown's county commission predecessor, who engaged in deficit spending, bleeding the county coffers dry, refused to build the number one road priority project, berated citizens at commission meetings, voted to include the county into a massively expensive regional mass transit plan that cost significantly more than the state’s entire budget – including projects in Fayette County that he lied about, who’s solution for the interchange at Hwy 74 and I-85 was to abolish it and move it to Hwy 92.

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Copied this off of a website...

That'd be Steve Brown's website, friends.

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mrobinson's choice Logsdon

And yes I copied this off a web site ...

- When asked what community roles he'd assumed recently, did not cite a single county-wide effort that he'd lead since leaving the mayor's office in 2009.

· While serving as Mayor, Logsdon set up a for-profit business with the City Manager.

· He went on a lavish all-expense paid trip to Asia funded by a company that received significant financial and tawx incentives

· He would not make the necessary budget corrections to protect the city from deficit spending

· He sued a sitting mayor over an emailed comment to an employee that had no public exposure. It was totally uncalled for and a huge distraction.

· He repeatedly claimed in his recent race for mayor that he brought the satellite campus for Clayton State University to Peachtree City- which is not factual. The City Council attracted and furnished the satellite campus for Clayton State during Brown's mayoral term, as clearly written in the March 21, 2002 meeting minutes.

· He publicly supported Brown's county commission predecessor, who engaged in deficit spending, bleeding the county coffers dry, refused to build the number one road priority project, berated citizens at commission meetings, voted to include the county into a massively expensive regional mass transit plan that cost significantly more than the state’s entire budget – including projects in Fayette County that he lied about, who’s solution for the interchange at Hwy 74 and I-85 was to abolish it and move it to Hwy 92.

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Feeding the Bears...

For those who enjoy sad humor, please enjoy the posts below.

If you haven't been keeping track, there are several bloggers here who are obviously supporting particular candidates. In the constructive, pithy dialogue throughout, I have been called a liberal, racist, preschooler, cross-dressing effeminate bus loving troll because I dared to tell the emperor he wasn't wearing any clothes, using his words and actions against him.

Stay classy, Fayette County. I'm done now.

Vote for who you want, but please understand that there are definite agendas here, on both sides. I simply don't believe Steve Brown is the right choice for Fayette County, and those who support him appear to have self-serving agendas.

Enjoy! I'm now done. Good luck...

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Enjoy? We shall!

MRPTC...please keep reading anyway. There's still plenty of time to change your mind.

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They are really getting worried now ...

In elections, it is a good sign when supporters from the other side feel like they have to come out and begin the race baiting comments because nothing else they are using is gaining any traction.

Logsdon blogger Mrobinson pokes at me (see his post several below) by saying Steve Brown represents the "people who own 20 acre farms, the pilots, and the 'white, over 45, married men' who support the tea party ... The mass-transit hating, rural character supporting, jet flying" crowd comment below kind of gives you a glimpse of where he is coming from ... not a pretty place. What is wrong with farmers, pilots, conservatives and white people? Should we hate them?

It is humorous that Mrobinson complains that that I am too white, etc. while the other negative Logsdon blogers like Nuk and Robert Morgan claim I am too close to black. I guess it is the throw it on the wall and see what sticks methodology of negative politics.

In case the average blog reader has not noticed, there are about five or six very negative pro-Logsdon bloggers who hate Steve Brown. They do not have a lot good to say about their candidate Harold Logsdon, so they try to level the playing field through character assassination and innuendo.

Their comments are getting more intense which is a real good sign for our campaign and reflects well on our accomplishments from 2013.

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Demands from the anonymous bloggers

I have always found it humorous how righteous the anonymous bloggers feel. There is something in the anonymity that gives them courage. Its the I demand to see you naked (figuratively speaking), but you will never see me.

Its really why the Internet trolling issue is becoming such a hot topic, especially with the younger generation.

For spyglass, here is my bio on the publicly accessible county web site: http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/BOC/Steve_Brown.htm

It's not complete as I have had some great opportunities to do some spontaneous things along the way, but you will get the picture.

Do the readers notice that they never ask the same questions of or pursue their guy Harold Logsdon? I think we are seeing the end of the period of success that anonymous nasty blogging has had in our county.

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How hard was that...

And you realize again that you are talking to your yourself again, correct?

What about my query was nasty?

Seriously, enjoy tomorrow, should be a great day....

Good luck in the future....

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Job or no job....3rd try, .

What has been your main career? How have you earned a living?

Please enlighten the voters.

Job, no job?

Still no answer? This is not hard...

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Have you not read Steve Browns Bio?

All of his jobs are listed in his Bio. I can cut and paste it for you if the link is not working. I really dont know what you are getting at, but I think it might be that you think not having a traditional job/career is somehow undesirable in a candidate.

I think Commissioner Browns bio AND jobs speak volumes for his experience and expertise of being able to successfully navigate a government bureaucracy.

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mrobinson

Logsdon's statement are incredibly broad. In fact, we are doing nearly all of those things now. The new college campus is coming and film trade class are too.

Economic development is moving full tilt.

If you look at the fact that Logsdon was a huge Jack Smith supporter, you can kind of see the direction he is willing to take us. Many do not want to go back to that.

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Broad?

He seems to be fairly clear..

What on his resume confuses you?

You guys do have one thing in common..

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Logsdon blogger...

Well, since you are stuck on that, let's focus on Harold Logsdon. I'll quote the candidate's issues directly:

We must work with our public school officials to ensure that we continue the excellence in education in K-12 that we have grown accustomed to. Additionally, we must establish a technical college and university in the county, and partner with business and industry to make sure they can secure a skilled workforce in Fayette County. These will enhance the quality of life and provide a pipeline of skilled workers for needed jobs in Fayette County.

We must find a way to address the needs of an aging population, which includes improving local transportation for seniors and disabled, and create lifelong communities that appeal to residents, young and old, that foster healthy lifestyles, convenient access to shopping, entertainment and healthcare.

We must continue to work with the Fayette County Development Authority and State officials to bring in high quality employment opportunities which would allow our residents to live, work and play at home.

We must find a way to attract and retain young professionals to Fayette County to ensure the viability of our county, including employment opportunities.

We must build partnerships at city and state levels.

We must work with the state to advance transportation initiatives that work for Fayette County citizens.

His accomplishments? Well, it appears he focuses more on "the City" and less on "him", which is a primary factor as to why I think he's the most professional candidate:

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/12-22-2009/logsdon-touts-achievements...

It wasn’t the most wistful of sendoffs, but Harold Logsdon’s final act as mayor was a review of the successes, and some “disappointments” that marked his four years in office.

Among the highlights were the addition of jobs in the city’s industrial park with the expansion of NCR and Wilden Plastics and the pending construction of the Sany Corporation’s assembly building.

Logsdon said he was also proud of other companies in the industrial park including Alcan, which was named Georgia’s mid-size manufacturer of the year and Aventure Aviation which was named the state’s exporter of the year.

Logsdon also touted council’s efforts in convincing the county to eliminate double-taxing city residents for EMS services since the city rarely uses county EMS. He also cited the settling of the lawsuit over the tennis center loans secured by the city’s development authority.

In the suit Peachtree National Bank was seeking $1.5 million it was owed from various loans. The City Council and the creditors agreed to a $920,000 payoff that was funded by a bond issue that will be paid in full over 10 years. Also funded by the payoff was $206,000 out of $228,000 owed to Foley Design Associates and Group VI for an unpaid balance left by the development authority.

Logsdon also reminded the crowd that under his leadership council added nine police officers, a K-9 unit and expanded patrols of the city’s 90-plus mile golf cart path system. The city also added 18 firefighters during that time frame, allowing for the city’s insurance rating to drop, which will save many residents on their homeowner’s insurance bill.

Logsdon said he also was proud of the city’s Keep Peachtree City Beautiful Program and The Bridge Community Center operated by First Baptist Church. The Bridge allows the city to host some of its recreation programs at its new facility on Willowbend Road.

Other accomplishments cited by Logsdon included:

• Gaining a satellite campus of Clayton State University;

• Peachtree City being named the eighth best place to live in the U.S. by Money Magazine;

• Hosting the annual Dragon Boat Races and International Festival sponsored by the Peachtree City Rotary Club;

• The city becoming the new home for the corporate aircraft operated for Chick-fil-A;

• Updating the city’s comprehensive plan;

• Offering a free class for residents on how the city operates; and

• Connecting the industrial park to the city’s cart path system.

Logsdon also noted some of the disappointments during his term, including the continuing vacancy at the “Baby Kroger” location in the Peachtree Crossings shopping center.

“Hopefully we can get something going back in there,” Logsdon said.

The mayor also lamented the city was unable to stop a Walgreen’s drug store from coming in the future to the current site of the Ruby Tuesday restaurant. That will put it immediately next door to the current Rite-Aid store.

Then he decided to run for state office, but dropped out because he had cancer, so he'll get a pass from me for not "being in the public eye" for a little while.

He served his country in the National Guard, worked his way up from a lineman to a manager at BellSouth, and is active in the community. Taken again from the campaign website:

A resident of Peachtree City, Logsdon grew up on a farm in Springfield, KY where he learned the value of hard work and sacrifice at a very early age. He joined the National Guard while a senior in high school, and went through Army training following his high school graduation.

After 38 years of service in the Guard, Logsdon retired with the rank of Colonel.

As a Colonel, he held key staff assignments, commanded at the unit and Batallion level, and graduated from the United States Army War College

While serving in the Guard, Logsdon also pursued a career in business with BellSouth. He began his career as a lineman, and after 36 years with the company, he retired as an audit manager.

In 2005, he was elected Mayor of Peachtree City and served until his term expired at the end of 2009.

After his term as Mayor, Logsdon has continued serving his community.

He now serves on the Executive Board for the Flint River Council Boy Scouts of America and Board of Directors of American Legion Post 50.

He is an active member of the Fayette County Chamber of Commerce, Fayetteville Masonic Lodge, Scottish Rite Atlanta and the Fayette Shrine Club.

Additionally, he has served on the rules committee for the Fayette County Republican Party and as a Precinct Chair.

Logsdon received his B.S. Degree from the University of Alabama and received his Master's Degree in Management from Salve Regina University in Newport, RI. He and his wife Ann have two daughters and six grandchildren.

If he decides not to blog here, more power to him. I wish I had the restraint.

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Focus on Logsdon? Don't forget who wrote the above blog

But if you do, go to Logsdon's campaign website for the same information. Note that both he and MRPTC left out how to successfully achieve a balanced budget.

Logsdon is a "good ole boy," and he has supported "good ole boys" in the past I would consider voting for him if I wanted another "good ole boy" in our BOC. A decent man with accomplishments, but not my cup of tea.

Nothing personal, but we need to keep up the positive momentum the BOC has taken over the past two years. Most folks I know think that it's much improved in every way. So why not give credit where credit is due?

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And he did all that with 0 ethics complaints and 0 lawsuits

Not only was he ethic complaint and lawsuit-free during his 1 term as mayor, he accomplished all of the things mrobinson points out above. Note that I am replying correctly under mrobinson, not over on top like narcissistic egomaniacs do.

Someone made a little chart comparing the three one-term mayors who are running to be our representative as one county commissioner (not Chairman as Brown's postcard states) and Logsdon had 0's in both ethics complaints and lawsuits, while Haddix and Brown had at least one in each column. That's enough for me to vote for Logsdon and that I would do if I could. Again, thanks NAACP.

And when you look and life experience which includes a work career of many decades, something which neither Brown or Haddix seem to discuss much and as a Colonel in the National Guard, he is a trained leader - highlighting another gap on the Haddix and Brown resumes.

Pretty simply folks, we are hiring someone to represent about 22,000 people in western PTC on county commission and it should be someone who can represent us, the 22,000 people properly without all the ego-driven personality dramas, name-calling, retribution, etc. District 3 is the only District in the county that is pure 100% PTC people. Two others have some PTC mixed with Tyrone, Fayetteville and county residents. The other two districts - none at all. This means the District 3 rep is the most important rep for PTC.

Might be good if we elect someone who is the most like us, as that's what a good representative should be. You know, job, military, Republican, no ethics complaints, no lawsuits generated against him, plays golf, has dog, has friends outside of politics, doesn't blog excessively, doesn't care if his picture is ever in the paper, doesn't have a Channel 5 reporter on speed dial. Simple things like that.

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The Tea Party Express...

...certainly seems to be in lock step on this one. I received exciting campaign literature in my mailbox this week from Fearless Leader, Chairman Brown, and the "Let Your Voice Be Heard" PAC.

Ladies and gentleman, I'd like to remind you that when you read that, who the officers of that group are:

http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_Name.aspx?NameID=214...

Chairperson = Josh Bloom
Treasurer = Harold Bost

I'm surprised Bob Ross isn't out and about with his editorials, but I'm sure he doesn't want to muddy the waters with the Big Vision going on.

It was mentioned earlier that when Logsdon had "expensive campaign" advertisements earlier, it was due to the funding of some "big business". Now I just see the multi-colored "Re-Elect" Steve Brown all across this site and in my mailbox, and my thoughts turn to those same "big spenders". It will be interesting to see the campaign finance reports.

Brown has a sitting commission member publically endorsing him, which is, in my opinion, ethically challenging to say the least.

He has a team of one horse bloggers singing his praises from behind their keyboards, all the time making sure to keep Steve "a man of the people".

He has a "campaign crisis" when his advertising vehicle was defaced, eerily similar to "hundreds" of his signs being stolen, both excellent newspaper fodder and additional publicity for "the little man".

He has the tea party express funding an accessory campaign to flood the market (Let Your Voice Be Heard PAC).

If there's any other reason NOT to keep this guy in office, it's all right there. He's now the ultimate professional politician. If he were in Washington, we'd be calling for his head right now, but here in "Rural Character" Fayette County, he's the hero of the little man....the little man who owns a farm or flies a jet and doesn't want their "quality of life" ruined by, let's take it from his own full color campaign postcard:

The days of deficit spending, not listening to the citizens, building special interest road projects and entangling the county in ultra-expensive regional mass transit plans that we cannot afford..."

Ladies and gentleman, meet the machine. When you vote for Steve Brown, you get all of this.

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I wonder if the NAACP contributed to Brown's campaign?

After all, they named him their Man of the Year a few years ago. So what has changed? Their Man is Chairman and they regressed us into district voting under his leadership. They should be happy to contribute.

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mrobinson, Are you saying

that Mr. Logsdon and Mr. Haddix don't have folks backing their campaign's?

Harold Logsdon has bombarded this newspaper, alone, with "Paid Political Advertisements" for the last month. His face has been plastered on every page of this paper.

Did Mr. Logsdon pay for all those ads out of his own pocket?

Who paid for those very expensive ads?

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Paid for by Harold Logsdon

That's what it says at the bottom of the ad...

I'm saying that you attempted to call out Logsdon for the same thing your candidate is doing (quite colorfully, by the way), and that the tea party express is also clearly behind the incumbent.

That's what I'm talking about, Willis.

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mrobinson, Once again

Are you saying that Mr. Logsdon doesn't have anyone contributing to his campaign?

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Ginga 1414 and Mrobinson

Ginga, you have to remember that Mrobinson represents the liberal side of the Logsdon for Commissioner campaign. Thus, his anti-TEA Party rhetoric.

His Steve Brown represents the "people who own 20 acre farms, the pilots, and the 'white, over 45, married men' who support the tea party ... The mass-transit hating, rural character supporting, jet flying" crowd comment below kind of gives you a glimpse of where he is coming from ... not a pretty place.

It is humorous that Mrobinson complains that that I am too white, etc. while the other negative Logsdon blogers like Nuk claims I am too close to black. I guess it is the throw it on the wall and see what sticks methodology negative politics.

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You take the left side of the spectrum - I'll stay on the right

Mrobinson, are you not a liberal in Fayette County?

I like a lot of what the tea party stands for, no apologies.

Regarding the slides at the ICMA conference in Boston, you FORGOT to mention that I was quoting the New York Times (I know you did not omit that on purpose).

You appear to be a professional political supporter looking to keep your people in office by any means necessary. Your tactics are tear Steve Brown down and try to have to explain as little as possible about Harold Logsdon. I just think the people are tired of that stuff.

Mrobinson, even Harold Logsdon ended up agreeing with me on the TDK Boulevard issue, what's that problem?

I did not support district voting based on racial gerrymandering and I have openly fought it all the way.

You say, "You use mass transit, but you don't want it in your county." That is a correct statement, I will give you that one! MARTA is approaching $2.7 BILLION in the red. Why on earth would anyone want that in Fayette County.

About your question, "If the voting block of this county weren't primarily a common demographic, would your positions change to reflect that voting block?" Actually, I vote on principle. I pissed the Republicans off when I supported home rule for the Democrat majority Fulton County Board of Commissioners.

When you say, "You're a professional politician," you have got to be kidding. I ran against Jack Smith because no one else would do it. Jack Smith had the support of our U.S. Congressman, State Elected Officials, County Board of Commissioners, County Constitutional Officers, Fayetteville City Council, former mayors of Peachtree City and many more in the establishment ... and I am the professional politician, too funny.

You say, "Here's what I REALLY want to see in local government - the MOST QUALIFIED people serve." You are supporting Harold Logsdon, qualified? Track record?

Mrobinson, your agenda is anything but simple, and it is not most reflective of our country. In the majority Democrat counties in metro Atlanta, I would put you in the solid majority. In Fayette County, not so.

I do not mind the debate, an honest debate, and all of us whether we be tea party or Republican or white or pilots or farmers will fight for your right to offer your opinions in public.

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You realize you are talking to yourself

What gives?

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Oh no! LIBERAL! Run!

Cut me to the quick by calling me a liberal in Fayette County? I think you spend far too much time caring about this one man's opinion and far too little time targeting actual issues. Your campaign is "look at me!" and "the other guy is a tool for the developers". You're simply a tool for the tea party express.

Do you disagree that you showed a slide at the ICMA conference in Boston that showed a slide that said, and I quote:

Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

Then the next slide showed a picture of the current commission with the caption "That would be us!"

So, you certainly seem to be proud to represent that demographic, or am I mistaken?

Where I'm coming from is a simple place, a place where you don't have to fear the agendas of professional politicians looking to remain in office by any means necessary.

You were for TDK Boulevard, then you were against it.
You were for district voting, now you're against it.
You use mass transit, but you don't want it in your county.
You rail against developers, then you cozy up to them (John Wieland annexation? Historical Concepts?)

If the voting block of this county weren't primarily a common demographic, would your positions change to reflect that voting block?

You're a professional politician, which, in my opinion, is a bad thing to be. Public service is just an accessory to your resume.

Steve - tell me, what would you do if you weren't in office? What is your ultimate goal? You moved to Fayette County, ready to go on the political scene. You wanted to be a mayor (one term, lost), then a state senator (didn't make it), then a county commissioner (one term, hanging on by a thread). Would you see yourself at the gold dome, or Washington?

Here's what I REALLY want to see in local government - the MOST QUALIFIED people serve. QUALIFIED is where we run into problems. People assume those that talk the most are the most qualified, when often they are not.

I've already voted, my die has been cast. Spend less time on me and more time on the issues, unless you feel that my opinions and assertions hit a little too close to the issues you care about the most - the Machiavellianism pursuit of the self.

Oh, and I have no ties to any local campaign other than stating my opinion and participating in the process as a voter. I don't volunteer, I'm not financially supporting anyone, I'm not in a PAC. I am a citizen, a voter, and a person who thinks for himself. I'm not a disgruntled ex-anything, even though I was in public service for many years. My agenda is simple, and probably most reflective of our country - handle the basics, spend money responsibly, and leave us alone otherwise. Others who post on this site may not be from the same background, and that's their right. I will, when I see it, try to spotlight for the reasonable person there are agendas and special interests on display throughout this, none more visibly and disgustingly on display here.

Thanks for your interactions, Steve. I understand your passion, but I'm afraid as to the reasons why.

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OUCH...that's a real beat-down

Eloquently stated indeed.

Now, get ready for the tar and feather treatment and the usual name-calling from the weak-minded who won't address a single point you made and will instead yell "OPEN AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT!"

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"Too close to black?" HUH?

Could care less about white/black anything...you opened that Pandora's Box several years ago with your extremely pro-district voting missive to the newspaper.

My problem with you Steve has always been your extreme flexibility on any big issue and constant flip-flopping. It makes you seem like your #1 principle is getting elected above anything else.

do I really need to run down the laundry list of all your fish-flops? Also, your attempted decimation of any candidate or anyone else(living or dead) that disagrees with you or your chosen Tea Party goofs? Hell, you were whining about Carolyn Cary's article on founders in FC and your dumb butt didn't even get here until 1997 and you brought your typical outsider mentality of "you are all doing it WRONG."

I'm a Libertarian. mrobinson also hardly sounds like a "liberal" to me. Just because some of us don't like the Bost Hogg grip on FC politics hardly makes anyone "liberal," no matter how that word is defined these days.

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Ginga - no, I'm not saying that...

I'm saying that you were railing against "big business" funding one candidate, and I was simply calling attention that there's another machine helping to fund the incumbent.

Your candidate has a full page ad in the 5/7 edition of the paper. So what's your point here?

I understand why some folks who post here support Brown - he certainly is a champion for the little people--the little people who own 20 acre farms, the pilots, and the "white, over 45, married men" who support the tea party (see the ICMA presentation slides for Steve Brown's assertion there). The mass-transit hating, rural character supporting, jet flying....I digress :)

Ginga, do you know where Brown and Rapson (or the Citizen) got the $144 million figure in "lost tax revenue" for Pinewood?
Ginga, do you believe that a sitting commissioner publicly endorsing a candidate for election is not ethically questionable?
Ginga, do you believe that the tea party express is not helping to fund Brown's campaign?

I think it's important to understand the agenda of the "special interests".

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mrobinson: So true, so true

Agree 100%

Also, didn't someone at Public Works or Code Enforcement in PTC get run-off for picking up a bunch of Steve Brown campaign signs that were placed in areas that they aren't allowed during his re-election Mayoral fail campaign?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the Steve Brown-victim narrative.

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mrobinson, So......

Steve Brown said way before his campaign began that he would not spend donor funds on yard signs. He said that, from past experience, he felt that his campaign money could be more effectively spent than buying yard signs. He expressed how much he appreciated the people who had donated funds to his campaign and that he wanted to honor those contributors by spending their money in the wisest way possible.

The number of Brown yard signs within his neighborhood has no bearing on whether or not his neighbors support his candidacy.

The implications in mrobinson's post are pure fabrication on his part.

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Since you live out there in the county, why comment on PTC?

I thought you were the well water lady - Smithers or Smithfield or something living out there near WFB and was opposed to that or maybe you were opposed to it before you were for it. You like Pinewood? You think Brown brought it in? Good for you.

So why are you chiming in on the brown clown? He's running for a slot to rep part of PTC and only those that live there get to vote. Who the heck are you to tell us what to do? Buzz off, old lady.

And unfortunately, the number of yard signs do have a bearing on his or anyone else's support. Dopes that actually vote think yard signs and waving candidates on the highway are cool. God help us.

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RWM ..."Dopes" who actually vote?

How about explaining why you are calling those who do vote "dopes" at the same time you find it your mission to bash Brown in a public forum?

Maybe you could get more support by putting up a few hundred "only dopes vote in the District 3 BOC primary" signs with your picture on them in PTC. Really cool.

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RWM, You are right...

I am Ginga Smithfield, and I do live near the WFB. In fact the WFB Phase II runs through what once was my backyard. I opposed the WFB before, during, and after it was constructed. Haven't decided if Pinewood is a good thing or not. I don't know if Brown brought Pinewood or not. I wasn't invited on the helicopter ride. I do know that according to Fayetteville Mayor Greg Clifton, Steve Brown was an intricate part of the collaboration that facilitated the process that allowed Pinewood to meet their construction schedule.

I am "chiming in" on Mr. Brown's candidacy because whether or not I get to vote for the District 3 candidate, the winner of that district will supposedly represent all Fayette citizens. That includes me. So, who the heck are you to say to me, "Buzz off, old lady?"

Who are you to repeatedly sit here and inflict your nasty attitude on everyone? And, that is exactly what you and your counterparts have done continually since 2010.

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Actually, he'll only represent the district...

...because he won't be accountable to other voters. If I were to relate this to the House of Representatives, I would not say that the House member we vote in will represent the whole country. Together, all of the House makes decisions that have an effect on the whole country. Together, all of the County commissioners will make decisions that have an effect on the county, but the District 3 commissioner represents those who live in District 3, and should listen and represent those citizens.

So, let's give Steve credit for helping to speed the process for Pinewood to build. Way to go, government official, but you didn't do it alone. If three of the five said no, nothing happening there.

I don't think that the other candidates would have done anything different given the same circumstances as well.

Steve Brown has certainly been a part of the team that is making decisions in the county since being elected. I can't say these same things wouldn't have happened without him, though.

He should really focus on making sure that the team is the highlight, not the individual. Of course, the team here also should not be the tea party express, but, lamentably, it is...

You certainly have the right to state your opinion here, as long as Cal allows it. Not truly "free speech", but for now, it's all good. You'll imply, I'll imply, and the readers will infer as they will.

And I voted today, and I live in District 3.

By the way, I'm not a member of any candidate's team. You are, though, correct?

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You are correct

Each commission seat only represents their district, and the sooner they understand this, the better off they will be politically speaking. And in my opinion, it stinks. As a PTC resident, I'm stuck in Ognio's district because I'm in the Oak Grove area. I don't have the same needs as the county folks that represent the majority of this district.

I also don't understand why I see both Logsdon and Brown yard signs in my neighborhood or receive both candidates fliers in the mail. You'd think residents and candidates would both would know their own district by now.

Even though I am not a fan of Pinewood, yet, and do believe that campaign promises were broken by all 5 commissioners, I do think that Mr. Brown was vital in helping Pinewood come on line so fast. This is because the Three Musketeers (Ognio, Barlow, and Oddo) were three rookies when this all started. They were just too green to know what buttons to push to get anything done quickly. None had any political experience and seemed to be led thru the process. Not one of them stood up to direct anything. The other one, McCarty doesn't do much and is just riding the Tea Party train without paying. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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Let's try to keep it honest, Mudcat

NAACP does not award a man of the year designation. Not sure that I would win it if they did after our rigorous defense of the district voting lawsuit.

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Brown and the NAACP

So what was the award you were given back in those days by the NAACP when you despised anyone and all governments in FC opposed to district voting as a bunch of ignorant racists? Did they call it "Person of the Year?" instead of "Man of the Year?"

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That's the way I see it as well, mrobinson_ptc

He will only represent his district as will all the others - even before they run again. In Brown's case he will represent the district in true lone wolf fashion and if he is elected chair again, God help us, his leadership style will offend the other 4 and our district 3 will become a laughingstock and possibly punished because of our rep's bad behavior.
No thanks, I'd rather have Logsdon as my representative and Oddo as chairman. I believe Oddo is capable of keeping the district representation food fights to a minimum. Pretty sure Mr. Brown, the NAACP's Man of the Year, is not. I thought Morgan was joking about that, but as Yogi said - you can look that up. I did and it was true. Go figure.

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And, yet, campaign signs in yards...

...are the easiest, simplest way for you to let the world know who you support.

And there is a Brown campaign yard sign in the neighborhood, so your assertion regarding his NOT spending of donations on campaign signs for yards is dubious.

I imply, quite simply, that his neighborhood doesn't support him. Until you can prove otherwise, the reasonable person can simply drive down Planterra Way and Terrane Ridge and make up their own minds. I ask them to do it daily to make sure they are updated.

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mrobinson, "Quite Simply"

As I said, and as you have now said, you imply.

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Definition of Imply...

(of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence.

Yes, that's certainly what is happening here.

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Too funny - yard signs, mrobinson

I am not using yard signs for residences in my campaign. The last time I ran against Mr. Logsdon, all my yard signs were stolen in the days. I even had to get the police involved.

I am using methods that are less easy to steal. But thanks for touring the subdivision.

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Yard signs and waving
Steve Brown wrote:

I am not using yard signs for residences in my campaign. The last time I ran against Mr. Logsdon, all my yard signs were stolen in the days. I even had to get the police involved.

I am using methods that are less easy to steal. But thanks for touring the subdivision.

Wait...what happens when you're standing by the road waving and one of those evil Logsdon or Haddix supporters comes by and throws you into the back of a panel van? That's a little worse than your signs getting gangked.

I notice on your website(it sucks)that the Issues page is blank(funny) and then the page with what the other two ex-Mayors state is only devoted to Logsdon and nothing whatsoever about your frenemy Don Haddix. C'mon...drag him through the mud too! Or, do u consider Don to be such a minuscule presence in this election that he's not worth bothering with?

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The Planterra Index: Brown losing his own neighborhood...

...if you count campaign signs, there's a 8-to-1 advantage for Logsdon over Brown in Brown's own neighborhood.

In fact, Brown lags behind high school graduates and for sale signs as well!

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So Haddix is winning?

Just kidding...

BTW, I wonder where Pumpkin is?

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Haddix winning would be shocking/funny/sad

all at the same time.

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Spyglass--- can you really

Spyglass--- can you really say anything good about all three? And the fact that each was a Mayor is depressing. Good politicians in PTC ? Paul Heard, Dan Lakly, Ed Bradford.... These 3 current candidates--- very disappointing.

There are a couple of good folks out there but--- guess what---- they won't run.

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Someone Should Inquire

Someone should inquire as to what ethics and trust violations got Donnie Boy fired from his office manager job at that underground company right before he got elected as mayor.

This man cannot be trusted as an employee in the private sector and there is no way haddix should be trusted as a public servant at any level of government. Oh wait..... by today's standards haddix and his opponents are perfectly suited for government employment.

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Impatient mrobinson?

We will hear from good ole BR whether we want to or not. Saw him probably 2 months ago enjoying a lunch with JR at Firehouse subs discussing nothing less than small town politics.

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Not impatient, just waiting for the pattern to repeat

Here, enjoy the build from four years ago...the tea party express taking shape...

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/05-07-2010/bost-throws-his-support-br...

History has a way of repeating itself. Look at the tone and temperament of the election again, and, well...same song, second verse, just as bad as the first.

Derailing the tea party express isn't a bad thing, is it?

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FC Tea Party

They are a little over the top and annoying. Kind of like that obnoxious kid in class who thinks he knows it all. Or sorta like a lot of retired cols.

I'm still trying to figure out who made BR chair of the vision folks.

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Steve Brown Support

Yes, Robert W. Morgan I support Steve Brown. I supported him when he ran for county commissioner the first time and I am supporting him again. I guess the sign that was on my truck in Peachtree City was not obvious enough. So here I am putting it in the blogs.
We have balanced the budget, and created transparency and openness in the county government with him as chairman. The commission treats the citizens with respect like never before.
You talk bad about Steve Brown and we list the accomplishments but we don’t hear about any of the opponents accomplishments. The other candidates did not even come to the commission meetings until after they decided to run for the position. Where have they been? Where were they when Steve Brown was fighting the TSPLOST to keep the county out of a lot of underfunded mandates?
So should the citizen’s vote for candidates that use broad general statements without any specifics to back up those statements. I hope they will vote for the one that delivers results.

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Commissioner Ognio's Support

It is so good to know that someone within the commission has taken the time and energy to support his fellow BOC member.

I have known since 2008 that you and Mr. Brown are the real deal.

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Good for you Mr. Ognio

You should support him if you want and you should be open about it - as you are. I wouldn't want you to get drawn into a debate about accomplishments of opponents vs. the type of campaign where a candidate blasts the incumbent. Your incumbent got there by using - in your words "that use broad general statements without any specifics to back up those statements. I hope they will vote for the one that delivers results."

Come to think of it, that's how you got there as well.

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Unfortunately Mr Morgan

Mr. Brown is the lesser of the 3 evils. Sad as that may be....... Therefore this years vote goes to either Mr. Brown or possibly Donald Duck the write-in candidate.

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Hot dog! Silence Dogwood/Steve Brown is back!! How cool.

Silence is maybe my second favorite Steve Brown alter ego after Ms. Fran Shelton. I love the way he uses these identities to enter the dialog and pretend to have a different voice from the pip and the johenry dopes. The boy is creative, knows how to use the system and of course has a lot of time on his hands without a real job. No johenry, county commission is not a real job. They pay him maybe $18,000 a year and even that I think is too much.

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Knee-Jerk Assumption

You jerked, squirted and got yourself in your eye. Nice try Sweetheart. I would say your johenry guess might be dead on though. Anyways.... dribble on.

What we really have here Bobby Boy is three steaming piles of excrement in which we have to pick a leader from. Which pile are you going to reach in to pull the lever for?

This is so embarrassing to Fayette County.

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You jerked, squirted and got yourself in your eye.

Um, Cal. I know you know Steve is actually Silence Dogwod, but should he be allowed to spew this stuff all over your newspapers? Or our blogs? methinks not.

Turn him off - especially the multiple identities. Give us a break.

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Hey Puddy Cat

A swing and a miss. But note I have been called worse by better.

My gawd thanks to district voting the rest of us have to suffer from the PTC flakes you clowns spawn.

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Robert W. Morgan has always

Robert W. Morgan has always been and will always be a foulmouthed, gossipy shill. I agree with Silence--- all three candidates are an embarrassment.

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Cool stuff, turtle breath. Brown supporters are now up to 5

Did not think you would cross over to the dark side, but since you did - thanks for your description. Especially the "foulmouthed gossipy shill"
Geez.

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Hey Cal, Is This Appropriate?

You might want to see if the above comment fits your site's guidelines...

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LIghten Up Alice

We are going to have a gorgeous day. Very best to you...

You would get defensive too if you were called Steve Brown.

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Aaarrrgh - Duplicate Post

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Mr. Ognio

Thanks for this input from a fellow commissioner in support of Mr. Brown. Having your input and support is important for us in making a decision concerning Mr. Brown's re-election. Your perspective is important in the process.

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These pretzels are making me thirsty

:)

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Spy

Try beer, it cures.

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Friday Funnies...

I bring this page up for laughs around election time...everything old is new again!

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/1237.html

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Good one, big guy. Voters newer than 2005 must read this

And while you are reading, keep in mind there really was a debate at the high school that Brown set up and Logsdon did not attend. With the exception of the Beluga Whale, all issues mentioned actually happened during his tenure as mayor. Might have been a bit of exaggeration and some drama or humor inserted, but those things all really happened. And many more that were not included in this excellent piece of satire.

Can't believe that was almost 10 years ago - wow! Long time to carry a grudge or complaint or whatever it is that those of us opposed to Brown are doing. Gives you some idea of how long lasting his harmful leadership was to Peachtree City - and now he wants to represent us (or some of us) at the county? No thanks.

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Mr. Logsdon and supporters

I am placing this comment at the top of the comment list because I am actually addressing Mr. Harold Logsdon and all of his supporters.

There are many, many citizens who are not able to attend any of the candidate forums. Some of those citizens live within District 3 and some do not. The winner from District 3 will supposedly represent all Fayette citizens.

Due to a couple of recent elections in Fayette County, voters are no longer satisfied with reading paid political ads. We would like to ask candidates questions. We would like to have answers. We would really like to see the three candidates in a public debate.

I think everyone grows and changes through their experiences. Since we have three commission candidates who have had previous experiences serving as elected officials, taxpayers would like to know how those experiences have changed their opinions.

Mr. Logsdon, some folks have said in their comments here that it is undignified or unprofessional for a candidate to converse with voters here. I greatly disagree. Give me someone who will openly relate to taxpayers.

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Current commission

Has any of the current commissioners endorced any candidate yet?

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The name is "McCarty"

That's what happens when morgan babbles on stuff he knows nothing about.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/BOC/Allen_McCarty.htm

And yes morgan you're an internet troll by definition.

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Endorse who? Brown, McCartney or their replacements?

No way to win for the 3 newbie county commissioners if they take a position. They want and are secretly hoping Brown loses big time, but if they dare express that and somehow he gets reelected - watch out. Just ask Dan Tennant.

They don't care one way or another about McCartney, but they also know the 5th District must produce a black winning candidate. Judge Batten and the NAACP have decreed it so. Fortunately she's a female and will know her place and not speak up too loud or too often.

Oddo is the new chair and Logsdon and Coston will fit in very nicely.

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Oh Yes Dan Tennant

The arrogant pilot d**k (dork)that sat on the GOP convention floor in the mid 90's and told me I read too much into the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights? Oh yeah that Dan. Not much I care to ask Dan Tennant.

Damn this District Voting....... The collateral damage / side effects are going to be worse than the intended 'cure' itself.

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silencedogood?

Late night yesterday? Dan Tennant has never been a pilot, or did I miss a whole load of sarcasm here?

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Admitted Brain Fart

G Rower spoke those words to me. Thank you.

Those white people all look alike to me.....

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It surely happens to all of us
Silence Dogood wrote:

G Rower spoke those words to me. Thank you.

Those white people all look alike to me.....

LOL! Hey, some of my best friends are black/white/Hispanic/gay/straight/not Brown supporters.

I was thinking you maybe meant Rower but wasn't sure. He'd didn't run much of a campaign and don't think his heart was really into it.

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RWM

I'm not so sure Pota wins. I like the lady, but she hasn't put a lot of effort into it. But on the other hand, neither has McCarty. Plus Bob Ross has yet to endorse her. (Like I really care, lol)

All 3 not running may secretly want Logsdon. I don't know that, but they may. However we all know, all 3 wouldn't be in office had Brown not pulled them to victory and they know it. Their position or non position will probably hurt them more in 2 years.

If they all promised to be their own man. I think they need to be honest with the county and the two districts to endorse someone. They can do it in a respectful way, whomever it is. Ognio is from my district. His preferred choice will definitely sway my vote when it comes in 2 years for his seat.

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Effort sounds too much like work

Maybe they both think the outcome is predestined by the racially created fifth district. Of course that kind of thinking leads to big surprises.

The other 3 commissioners were indeed elected with Brown's help, but they probably got to know him better the last 2 years. They probably know it is best to keep their preferences to themselves. Back in the good old days, all local politicians had the class to not comment on other's election and they certainly never endorsed anyone. Just another change that shows the downsliding of character and classiness that used to be expected - nowdays we see something or someone with class and we are surprised.

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Mudcat

Get a grip. What is your point? Brown clobbered Smith and even you can't deny that.

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Mudcat, we,ve known for years that you don't like Brown

We would love to hear you say something positive about the BOC Republican Campaign. For instance, do you feel that you have a civic duty to vote, or your only duty is to call people names or attack Steve Brown? Which candidate do you support, or are you opposed to all of them? It doesn't do much to make public forums effective when people get called an $%# only because they composed a rationale supporting or defending Brown. How about commenting on Mr Logsdon...do you support his candidacy, and if so, how do you feel his performance as PTC mayor surpassed Brown's? Or, how else do you feel Mr. Logsdon has demonstrated better qualifications to be a BOC member than Brown? Same applies to Mr. Haddix.

Bashing and name calling from the same few gets to be like a broken record. About the only thing I've seen from you are Brown attacks, blogger attacks and more Brown attacks. I believe that you are a skilled enough writer to be just as effective positively, once in a while. Why not give it a try, and get into the real spirit of the forum?

There must be a number of supporters who believe that Messrs. Logsdon and Haddix are qualified to join the BOC, or they would not be running. The proplem is that these folks really haven't come out of the woodwork.

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Another arrogant brownie. Posting on top. Even another page

You people are very full of yourselves. Posting on top of the previous blogger is bad enough, but posting on top of a completely different page - well, that's over the top.

You are an ass, Jim R. My point has nothing to do with history - Brown beating Smith or Smith losing to Brown. Sure Brown beat Smith and Smith is not running now, but that seems to be a favorite Democrat thing for Brown, Obama and others. Attack and run against Lenox, Bush or someone else who you can attack. Dope and dopes.

I don't want a Democrat like Brown representing me on Fayette County Commission. We are a Republican county and don't want brownies representing us. The NAACP man of the year award does not ring my bell. Does it yours?

My point Herr Richter is that you and the other fools shilling for the brown clown are going to get a 10 to 1 blowback because that's the hate/love ratio. The more crap you dish out, the more that will be returned to you in great quantity. Think before you blog. You don't have the truth or facts on your side.

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Keeping it civil

It is awfully tiring coming on here and reading nothing but hate. For all the people that read these blogs please take note of the same 4-5 bloggers that name call and spew their un-factual opinions. I have done my own research on Steve Brown and other candidates. I have come to the conclusion that Commissioner Brown deals in facts and tries his hardest to debate in facts.

For the folks that gave me their reasons why Steve is not the guy to re-elect, I investigated the past meeting minutes that those reasons were only half truths. A half truth (or half the story) which is awfully misleading and I implore all to do their own research by reviewing the minutes of the Commissioners meetings.

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Thank you Josh Bloom!!!

mrobinson needs to learn it's not how he says it but what he says. The Logsdon people are nasty and tell half-truths.

If you want a reason not to vote for Harold Logsdon just look at nasty his supporters are on this site.

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Please share more half-truths with us...

I have given you so much to comment on...or would you rather still call me a preschooler and a troll?

I at least try to be civil - could you please give us some facts?

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Mrrobinson, I have never

Mrrobinson,
I have never called you a preschooler or troll. In fact, I oppose anyone that uses name calling on this blog. Hence why I use my real name.

Josh

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Josh Bloom - could you elaborate?

Would you mind elaborating on the half-truths?

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I could elaborate

I would enjoy sitting down and elaborating with anyone of you, but quite simply it would take too much time to go point by point via the comment sections. I have met with a few people on here over a cup of coffee and friendly debate.

Here is one of the many points,

Commissioner Brown killed Phase III of the West Fayetteville Bypass. You are not being factual when you say otherwise. He would have killed Phase II but the old majority of three kept signing off on the construction contracts and locked the county into it. That's not Steve Brown's fault.

I get my facts here

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/BOC/county_commission_meet...

http://vault.peachtree-city.org/weblink7/Browse.aspx?startid=3714

NOT HERE

www.thecitizen.com

Josh

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elitist mrobinson

That was some apology mrobinson. What a snob!!! Oh that's low hanging fruit oh my nothing signficant.

That's why you don't vote for Logsdon ladies and gentlemen!

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