PTC opulence vs. what is enough
A short time back while traversing our city in my golf cart, I approached the scene of an unfortunate accident whereby a teenaged girl had struck a mailbox, resulting in the golf cart she was driving on its side while she sat crying in the adjacent driveway.
While the young lady’s injury was mostly from being embarrassed, the extent of the involvement of our local public safety officials was substantial.
To be specific, two police cruisers, the traffic motorcycle, two fire department SUVs, an ambulance, and one ladder truck were all at the scene.
Granted, on this quiet neighborhood street, traffic is minimal so no traffic control or crowd control was warranted, which led me to believe that drivers of these vehicles had time to mill around and look official until the one paramedic comforted the young lady until her parents arrived, presumably to receive the sure to follow traffic ticket.
Within two days of the above incident, a mishap occurred on a relatively busy thoroughfare within our town whereby a bicyclist evidently lost control, ending up on the shoulder of the road with a potential injury and quite a seriously damaged bike.
This time there were three police cruisers, two fire department SUVs, an ambulance, and the (you guessed it) a ladder truck.
I must give credit here to our local police because one officer was directing traffic because the other lane was completely blocked by city vehicles.
I surely hope the bicyclist doesn’t object to being ticketed for failure to maintain his lane.
To further make my point, just recently a lady walking to the ninth green at Planterra Ridge Golf Course stepped into a hole, resulting in a broken ankle.
Again, our public safety folks were called and rushing to the rescue were three police cruisers, an ambulance, a fire department SUV (it was lunchtime), and yet another ladder truck.
One must bear in mind that the ninth hole had to be closed and approaching golfers were privileged to wait until the city vehicle roadblock dissipated, which was extended because this time the ladder truck whose driver simply had to get as close to the action as possible became stuck because the irrigated grassy area surrounding the ninth green would simply not bear the weight of this monster.
One can only wonder the cost incurred by those charged with getting that ladder truck back to the precinct.
Just this week I learned that our esteemed mayor was reimbursed $9,969.40 for his costs involving him being sued for slander due to what I characterize as irresponsible behavior.
Granted, the term “irresponsible” is my opinion, but for the life of me I simply do not believe that public funds should be used in this instance. When one considers that the entire matter could have been settled with a timely public apology, the matter simply reeks of arrogance and contempt for taxpayer dollars.
Fellow citizens, I make light of this not because of any slight toward the men and women providing public safety for our community, for I have witnessed firsthand the loss that can occur when tragedy strikes, and therefore I have the utmost respect for these individuals.
I do so because of the lack of leadership afforded those individual paramedics, firefighters, and policemen by those we have entrusted to run our city.
For example, in any one of the aforementioned instances, can anyone other than a city “staffer” rationalize the use of a ladder truck?
Is there anyone out there who believes the mayor was acting in the best interests of the city by having the city pay for his sophomoric behavior? I can hardly wait for our esteemed mayor’s retort.
Watching those hard at work maintaining our unique cart path system, one can only wonder why there seems to be a truck for everyone present. Surely, someone other than me has noticed that it’s usually one person’s toil and sweat being supervised by three to five others.
Among those firms contracted by the city to cut grass or maintain our roadway medians, this is certainly not the case, for the supervisor is normally so involved in the task at hand that he/she is indistinguishable.
We’ve all been told that there exists no more room to cut within our city’s budget, and within the last year the city has borrowed a few more million dollars to offset capitol purchases that starkly resemble operating costs. So I ask the question: Can the city operate on an annual income of $30 million?
We all may have different answers, but for me I would say certainly, and that we could do so for much less if we took the approach to running the city as a business instead of a government.
Two examples: First, is there any reason that we require both a police chief and a fire chief when a public safety director could do the work of both? Additionally, combining those departmental positions that are duplicitous and serve primarily as “staff” for each department head would yet afford the city additional savings.
Second, have the City Council set a ceiling for an annual budget and require department heads to operate within the limits of what they’re actually allocated versus those same department heads stating their “requirements” beforehand. In other words, stop letting the tail wag the dog.
Peachtree City has passed its zenith in growth, and as our population continues to age, simply maintaining the revenue levels required to run this city will require substantial tax increases. These increases have already taken its toll on the number of young families relocating here, and many former residents have chosen to reside elsewhere.
Are you willing to have your property taxes increased again and again on top of a very probable 1 percent TSPLOST for perhaps the next 30 years, not to mention the ever increasing stormwater fees?
I’m not!
Michael L. King
Peachtree City, Ga.
Regardless what one thinks of Mr. King, I am absolutely confident that he can correctly identify a SUV, an ambulance and a truck equipped with a ladder. Maybe you know all the secret handshakes and funny slogans, but what Mike described doesn't seem outside the ability of a casual observer.
And our safety and security state *IS* so much Kabuki theater -- a performance for its own sake regardless of common sense; the result of a need to have a sheet of paper in a binder somewhere that contains five steps to handle any given situation. Heaven forbid somebody think it through on the fly. Said culture of prevention and protection leads to certain overkill that can be rather funny, such as a SUV, an ambulance and a ladder truck responding to *everything*.
That you are so impressed with theatrical production and group think that a tongue-in-cheek send-up of local policy makes you ask if the author has a degree in emergency management pretty much reinforces the point Mr. King was making.
Cheers, sucka.
You’re obviously in the same club as Mr. King, one of his loyal followers I’m guessing. Sure, if Mike wants to call an Extended Cab Pickup Truck an SUV, we’ll let him. If Mike wants to call a 40,000lb Engine instead a “Ladder Truck” (an 80,000lb vehicle with a mounted aerial devise on top) I guess we’ll let him. Hell lets just call all our vehicles “Ladder Trucks”, it sounds more impressive, hey, they all are Red, Have Lights and Sirens and go to emergency calls, they must all do the same thing.
Then again, how can someone whom can’t differentiate the difference between a pickup truck and an SUV, or an Engine or a Ladder Truck, regularly make comment on the operational activities of an emergency services organization? He doesn’t know anything basic about the equipment or its uses but has the audacity to continually post and write negative commentary about how it’s used and those whom use it.
He is a “casual observer”, Very Casual and not intheknow.
And Elvis, you are “Evil”
I couldn't give a rat's behind about Mike King, or you for that matter. I do, however, find your hyper-focus on meaningless minutiae entertaining.
"OMG, that truck with a ladder is actually a 40,000 lb engine."
Esta muy retardado, fanboi.
Mike's post was kinda funny. Sometimes slight exaggeration is used for comedic effect in storytelling. But you can take satisfaction in knowing you have defended the honor of your glistening, strapping, taut, trim-hipped fire heroes and their blessed vee-hickles.
(Notice how I used the generic term vehicles? LOLZ!)
Tard.
Aren't you concerned about SAFETY? Aren't you obsessed every waking moment about having an army show up in the event you have a hangnail? Aren't you willing to pay 10x as much in taxes to fully fund these areas of SAFETY to the level that they want? OK, 10x is probably a drastic UNDERSTATEMENT in this case, but I'm sure everyone gets the point: there is a finite amount of money available and nobody gets all that they want when it comes to how taxpayer dollars get allocated. That includes SAFETY. Oh my God...SAFETY! MUST HAVE SAFETY!
PTC has a great FD full of people that are indeed worthy of being held up in high regard. The PD is pretty good, except for having horrendous leadership that has diminished the performance of the department post-Murray and made a mockery of the concept "to protect and to serve" or "community policing." I have no desire to live in a community where cops setup roadblocks and sit in medians all day long in order to write tickets. I don't feel any SAFER when you do this. In fact, it pisses me off. You have good people, use them. Any idiot can sit around in the median somewhere writing tickets to Coweta motorists or whoever....that doesn't make me feel any SAFER.
All of this doesn't mean that either department gets or needs a blank check. Suck it up like everyone else has to do. Get out there and tell people that they'll have less SAFETY just like we have less GRASS MOWING or less LANDSCAPING due to there being LESS MONEY.
Agreed, intheknow. If these instances really bothered Mr. King so much, he might have taken the time and trouble to determine exactly what about them merited the responses he witnessed or heard about. It might just be there are rational answers, that the people ‘in charge’ actually have some idea what they are doing based on experience and prudence and are not the examples of gu’mint gone wild that King seeks to make them.
Now, I don’t know the details of these cases either. But it does strike me that it takes a fairly severe impact to knock over a golf cart and if it were my daughter involved and the homeowner or some other witness felt compelled to call 911, I’d prefer an overresponse to an underresponse. As far as the bike wreck, it reminded me of a sad incident a few years ago in which a woman riding down a residential street lost control of her bike and fell. When responders arrived she was sitting and able to speak, according to reports at the time. Tragically, it turned out she had a serious head injury and later died despite the responders’ efforts. Had King driven by during the commotion he’d probably have been sputtering about all the fuss for a woman who fell off her bike but looked ok to him.
This appears to be the same Mr. King, btw, who a few months ago reposted some internet manure with made-up quotes attributed to President Obama, which he then refused to acknowledge was chainmail BS. So that’s the level of intellect and analysis at work here.
Yes, this is the same Mike King whom awhile back posted up comments in these forums regarding the expense of the Police Departments Mustang. I quickly followed up to his posts that there was NO Expense, as that was a vehicle the PD had won through some sort of state contest – there was no cost. Mike King followed my post up with something to the effect that it “still cost more” – never did figure that one out myself. He then proceeded to post up something about the added liability to the city, should one of our young officers get into a chase or something with that fast car and how that was going to cost us all. I had to follow that post up with the fact that since by that time it had been re-lettered and re-assigned to one of our DARE Officers, I didn’t think they would be taking it on too many chases down the school hallways.
He puts this letter in the paper attacking the PD and FD responses to various incidents. This isn’t something new; he’s been making references about our deployment methods in these very blogs for a several years now.
You just can’t win with this guy, as he knows it all or at least seems to claim to. When he posts some of these attacks on our responses, I often think of an incident I had years ago here in town, where we had a witnessed cardiac arrest call of a resident on the south end of town. Back then we didn’t have two-man Engines, but only one man (I might point out National Standards are for Four and in some cases Five personnel assigned each Engine), and to get an appropriate number of personnel on scene for a cardiac arrest often meant pulling several vehicles to the scene. On this call, we were doing everything we could to re-start this man’s heart; CPR, drugs, defibrillations and airway maintenance. We had just loaded the patient on the Medic unit for transport, I was sending some of the units back and some little old lady, one of the neighbors approached me. She asked me in a loud voice “what's going on” , being that any medical incident is something private and protected by HIPA laws I just stated “we had a medical emergency call and I really couldn’t comment any further on it due to privacy”. This woman proceeded to ream me out for “wasting her tax dollars with these trucks” and “she was going to call the city and take care of this”. I nodded my head and apologized to her that she felt this way and made notification to my supervisor of this encounter. I chalked this incident up to public ignorance / apathy of how Fire & EMS operate; I never did hear anything more about it.
The biggest problem here is Mike King regularly posts up on these forums or in this case even went as far as writing a letter to be printed for the rest of the citizens to read. It doesn’t matter that its not factual, the one incident he cited, I was there. It wasn’t Two SUV’s, but One, with the departments Squad being the other vehicle. It wasn’t a Ladder Truck, but an Engine, he has no clue! The response was based on potential, and on arrival we determined one unit could return to service, just as they arrived on scene. There was great potential based on the incident and our past experience, to need all those people and maybe more – but he’s the “expert” and knows what our responses should be. As far as “all those people” goes it was One Shift Commander, Two on the Medic Unit, Two on the Engine and One Career and One Volunteer on the Squad – Seven Total, not an excessive amount of personnel to be dispatched on a roll-over accident.
Ultimately some people read these letters and blogs, and since Mike King previously ran for public office I believe some people actually think that this brings him some level of credibility, in what he spouts off in his writings. But with what I know, having worked in Public Safety for many years now, I’ve categorized him in the same way as that woman I had the encounter with many years ago. I just hope that our citizens and public officials discount what he writes.
And for Mike King, if he doesn’t like it here, move; I personally appreciate the level of Public Safety we have here for my family and only wish we could afford more. Hey, maybe Miami could use Mike with their problems. They just recently figured out they purchased 1200 vehicles back in 2006 including Police cars and put them all in garages and warehouses and have never issued them to their departments, and a couple extra vehicles in Peachtree City’s fleet are an issue?
Thanks for what you do. As a two-decade resident, I have only respect for the work of our responders, BOTH the grunts and the people who lead them.
Everyone wants prudent use of tax dollars but shoot-from-the-hip armchair analysis is not the way to assure that. In this case it would have been nice if Cal had insisted on higher standards for commentary before handing King a bullhorn.
What you two fail to realize is that there IS a finite number of emergencies any particular department can handle at any given time. Take for instance multiple incidents across town from one another, and all the 'responders' and their equipment are located at the site of the first incident. Time will be wasted that could prove critical, but since "intheknow" doesn't seem to grasp the obvious, perhaps others might.
The problem I cited was with leadership, and if the shoe fits wear it!
"doesn't seem to grasp the obvious"?????? WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK THE FD DOES? I read your latest post and the only thought that came to mind was “clueless”! At any given time, PCFD may be working two, three, four or more simultaneous calls. We do this EVERY DAY, ensuring apparatus and crews are strategically placed and ready to respond; operational readiness and being able to cover “the next call” is a major portion of what we do. Mr. King, you really have me shaking my head.
The problem isn't "leadership" as you insinuate. The problem is ignorance by some, of what the FD and PD actually do. For the years I've been here, the "problem" has always been the few vocal opponents to our communities Public Safety entities, attacking what we do or how we do it. These attacks on the PD and FD have inevitably cost the citizens thousands over my years here in man-hours, spent researching and compiling data to defend “what we do”, historically only to prove that the educated, experienced leadership of these agencies were correct in what they were doing all along.
It's obvious that you agree that there IS a finite number of resources available at any given time. That said, you also actually believe these emergencies can occur simultaneously, you even say so. Then why not agree that having more than one set of responders reporting to the same incident is a waste of resources and adds to the time that 'extra set' can respond?
Are you also going to defend the truck getting stuck at Planterra?
I think I’m done with you on this string, as once again you’re always right and know more about Public Safety than even those in it. No one in Peachtree City Public Safety will ever meet your level of expectations in delivery of services. Of course, NO Experienced, Educated or Progressive Fire Service Professional would ever want to reduce down to the slack level or quality of service which you continually seem to strive for, with your negative and uninformed commentary.
A little story before I go: Many years ago, I had a resident where I worked that had completely hid the fire hydrant on the easement in his front yard with bushes. He didn’t like it and didn’t want it visible and refused to move his bushes from around it. I explained to him the potential for delaying extinguishment of any fire, and possible rescue of his neighbors, or even his own family and himself, while crews might be searching for this hydrant. He adamantly refused to remove those bushes instead stating “oh well”.
I can tell you’re not much different than that individual and I’ll leave it at that.
Btw, I got those bushes moved anyway by having the local power company rip them all out, by requesting the transformer hidden also in the bushes near the hydrant be moved.
Go volunteer, maybe you can learn more about it
I do volunteer my time, and hope you do as well.
I hope?
Nothing like getting into the middle of those things you should know more about.
How about chipping in on the law suit over the despicable actions of our mayor? Are you in? I don't think we should let him get away with it, even if it costs us $20,000. It's one of those principle things I think he failed to learn when he was young. That you should pay for your mistakes, not some innocent bystander.
How about chipping in on the law suit over the despicable actions of our mayor? Are you in?
As one of the biggest critics of our Mayor, I thought you would jump all over this opportunity. As you know His Honor declined this week to pay for his mistake.
I think it's up to us now to get the citizen's money back.
Mudcat is in.
Mr. Morgan is in.
NUK_1 is in.
PTCO is in.
What say you Mr. King?
Mr. Morgan is going to get this organized, right Mr. Morgan?
City council and the city attorney have done what they can with the mayor's taking $10,000 out of the city for his own personal use - aka as his stupid mistake of running his mouth.
Oddly that story (entitled "Haddix won't pay back $10k") appears in the print version of the paper, but not on The Citizen website as of Sunday AM. I predict when more people are exposed to Haddix's arrogance at the Thursday council meeting where he was asked to pay the $10k back and was confronted with the reality of his improper stance, many more will come forward to offer money to fund a lawsuit against him to recover the money and force his resignation. It appears an ethics charge is looming, but I would still proceed with a lawsuit. Attorney needed to file and he/she would immediately receive $2,000 or more from just 4 bloggers.
I will organize and help anyway I can but I think it is very important that people be allowed to contribute to this effort anonymously. Personally I don't think Haddix has the power or the smarts to be vindictive against any one individual, but I have spoken to a couple of people who feel otherwise and they will only contribute if their names were withheld. So, I respect that and will proceed so that anonymous people can be included. Mr. King may or may not be in this category, but that will sort out by it self.
One thing that should be addressed is the issue of unused contributions. The attorney (still need one to volunteer) would agree to collect funds for fees and expenses, but if there is some amount left over, then that should be contributed to one or more specific organizations that are named before the first dollar is taken in - that way all contributors agree to this going in and there is no need to contact or even identify anyone when it is all over.
So, mudcat, NUK 1 and PTCO (1st 3 to commit to a specific dollar amount) please come up with a charitable organization and I and all future contributors will accept that and contribute knowing that's where the unused contributions will go. Please don't suggest a victory party at Y-not sports bar. Bad taste.
Gets my vote
I have given to them before and will do so again - gladly.
I was at an event in NY a few years ago and some of the Wounded Warriors were there and John McCain and Don Imus were there as well and I talked to both of them and more importantly I met some of the Wounded Warriors. God bless them. These are real heros. Best $500 dinner I have ever had.
The sooner Haddix resigns under pressure from the lawsuit, the more money that will be available to Wounded Warriors. If he hangs on and drags it out, less money will go to Wounded Warriors. He is the only one in this town that does not know he is going to lose the lawsuit and resign. Anything that any of you can do to help him understand would really be appreciated.
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I was just wondering if you happened to call the police and fire department to find out why this is SOP? I am certain that it must be some sort of standard practice mandated by the State or Feds. You know so they can keep their city wide certification as a "real" police and fire department.
Anyway, it seems that you observe a lot of things surrounding our emergency response teams that many of us don't see. I think the last one on this board was a "sleeping" policeman and another on a cellphone or something.
Do you have a problem with simply waking them up or asking why they are on the phone during "company" hours? After all they work for you don't they?
Generally I don't think anyone that is dressed up like a policeman or a fireman will do anything that could draw attention to themselves if they were doing something stupid or do anything that wasn't required of them. Do you?
So, do I think raising property taxes to pay for police and fire protection (assuming I don't have a private option or paying twice for the same service) is "worth it". The answer would be it depends on whether or not they are asleep during working hours. So, as I said in my last post on this subject, if you see a policeman sleeping get the number of his/her patrol car and report it to: 1) The police and 2) The Citizen. I am certain that you will get a speedy response from both.
If you see something that doesn't seem rational, I can almost guarantee that it has something to do with government mandated "standards". That's why the TSA searches 18 month old kids and old ladies at the airport.
IMO
The truck needs to be driven fairly regularly to keep it up.
What lawsuit was the Mayor involved in that would require reimbursement?
Oh, this one.
http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/12-21-2011/haddix-logsdon-settle-%E2%...
And who was the lawyer who the Mayor needed reimbursement for?
Oh, this guy.
http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/12-15-2011/peachtree-city-faces-feder...
The curiousness just keeps on growing, doesn't it?
“two fire department SUVs, an ambulance, and one ladder truck” – Do you really know what those vehicles were? When did you become an expert on Fire and EMS staffing and deployment? Did you pick up some degree in Emergency Management or achieve some other Fire Service or EMS credentials in which to base your continual attacks on Peachtree City’s Public Safety entities? Do you really know all the particulars of that incident? From your description of the one call you cited, I believe I was there and am Intheknow about it. Once again, you only further enforce the fact that you continually post up c@#p about things you know nothing about. It’s amazing how some dolts that read these posts, actually believe you know what you’re talking about.