UPDATED: PTC mayor vows to fight council censure

Mayor Don Haddix (back to the camera, right) walks out of the July 21 City Council meeting. Photo/John Munford.

UPDATED FOR PRINT July 27,2011 — Peachtree City Mayor Don Haddix is not about to apologize for what his fellow council members are calling a pattern of “negative comments” that affect the city’s working relationship with other persons and agencies.

Haddix left Thursday’s council meeting prematurely in an effort to insure that he has a chance to respond to an effort to reprimand him that is being undertaken by three other city council members.

In doing so, Haddix prevented council from taking a vote on the matter because under city rules there weren’t enough council members present for an official vote to occur, in part due to the absence of Councilman Doug Sturbaum. The item is expected to be on the next City Council agenda for Thursday, Aug. 4.

Haddix’s walkout didn’t stop Council members Eric Imker, Kim Learnard and Vanessa Fleisch from explaining in detail to the public why they felt Haddix should be censured.

Learnard said the mayor’s negative comments at meetings, in letters to the editor and in online blogs pushed her to the breaking point after what she called “an 18-month pattern of negativity.”

Fleisch and Imker both said they have had to apologize to elected and appointed officials, whom the city is trying to “build relationships with,” due to comments made by Haddix. They cited comments Haddix made about the county development authority and also the Georgia Department of Transportation.

Learnard said the reason council was addressing the issue is an effort to stop the negativity.

“We need to stop being our worst enemy,” Learnard said.

In an interview Monday, Haddix said he felt he could “prove all their accusations false.”

Haddix argued Thursday night that since the item was put on the agenda just over a day before, he hadn’t had time to prepare a response. But he was unable to convince his fellow council members to postpone the matter.

“I gave them the polite way out in compromise, but they refused to take it,” Haddix said. “I was trying to be civil. But they refused it and as far as I’m concerned, they talked down to me.”

Haddix said he was disturbed by the notion that he wouldn’t get a chance to respond to the accusations contained in the censure resolution.

“That is very troubling and very reflective of the majority on council in that when you start denying somebody their first amendment rights and the right of self-defense, that says a lot and it speaks to their character,” Haddix said.

The censure resolution specifically claims that Haddix “has created an untenable work environment by publicly belittling and criticizing current and former city employees, elected officials and appointed officials, resulting in at least one lawsuit with related costs to the city.”

Additionally the document claims that Haddix’s comments and actions “put the City of Peachtree City at financial risk, create an untenable work environment, and damage the City’s relationships with other governmental agencies.”

The resolution asks Haddix to “correctly carry out the duties of Mayor, adhere to the City Charter, Council Rules, and common courtesy, work effectively as a member of the City Council, and work effectively in his capacity of Mayor with other state and local government agencies.”

Haddix said he has had some support from city residents, and he challenges the position that a majority of city residents support the censure.

“I know it’s their perception and they see it that way, but it’s not what I’m getting,” Haddix said.

As to trying to find some middle ground with his fellow council members, Haddix said the matter is one of conviction on his part, specifically in the realm of keeping campaign promises he made.

“If I see something they’re doing that hurts Peachtree City, I do more harm to the city by being silent,” Haddix said. “I know some people won’t agree with that, but that’s the way I feel.”

Regardless of their position, some dozen or so citizen observers stuck around until the end of the meeting, around 10:30 p.m., to witness the confrontation between Haddix and council.

Haddix contends that his walkout didn’t affect city business. The censure resolution was the last action item on the council agenda, but Haddix’s walkout did prevent council from meeting in executive (closed) session following the meeting.

The items that were to be addressed in closed session are already being handled by city staff, Haddix said Monday.

At Thursday’s meeting, City Attorney Ted Meeker informed council that there were “a couple of time sensitive items” up for discussion in the executive session portion of the meeting.

Haddix was then accused by Imker and Learnard of being willing to forego city business in an effort to stall a vote on the censure.

In a matter of minutes, the discussion continued to the point where Haddix decided it was best to leave.

Although it is a rare occurrence for the Peachtree City Council to criticize the mayor, it has happened at least once in city history. Back in July 1982, after a very lengthy hearing, council determined that then-Mayor Fred Brown interfered with the police department on two specific occasions: once when asking an officer to void a parking ticket and the other by interrupting the interrogation of a police suspect.

Council also determined that Brown did not obstruct law enforcement, according to city records.

After that same hearing, council also voted to reprimand then-Police Chief Benjamin G. Parks for “improper management practices.”

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Earlier online version

On the hot seat, facing a formal criticism from three of his fellow city council members, Don Haddix thwarted the effort by walking out of Thursday night’s council meeting since council didn’t acquiesce to his request to postpone the matter.

It's likely just a delay, however, as the three council members explained in detail why they support the public censure of Haddix.

With Councilman Doug Sturbaum absent due to a family illness, that left council technically unable to vote on the censure resolution, unable to vote to adjourn into and out of executive session ... and technically unable to vote to adjourn the meeting, if one were to split hairs.

Haddix complained that because the matter was placed on the agenda late Wednesday, he hadn’t had much time to formulate a response. He also argued that Sturbaum should be included in the conversation.

Prior to Haddix’s departure, at one point it looked as if he would win postponement of the matter in a compromise offered by Councilwoman Kim Learnard, who accused Haddix of “threatening to impede city business” by walking out of the meeting.

Shortly thereafter, Haddix’s motion to postpone the matter died for lack of a second, he decided to call it a night and announced that he was recusing himself, and he stood up from his seat and left the meeting.

Before Haddix left council chambers, Learnard accused him of being “less concerned about the city business at hand than to stand and deal with an item that was legally put on the city’s agenda."

Needless to say, Learnard and Councilmembers Vanessa Fleisch and Eric Imker reacted with disappointment. But even though they couldn’t vote on the censure resolution, they continued the discussion after Haddix’s exit, explaining in detail why they supported the ordinance.

Learnard said the mayor’s negative comments at meetings, in letters to the editor and in online blogs pushed her to the breaking point after what she called “an 18-month pattern of negativity.”

“And I’m here telling you tonight about these things because it just has got to stop,” Learnard said. “... We need to stop being our own worst enemy.”

She pointed out three negative headlines from news stories, and argued that it hurt the city’s image and thus its ability to attract new companies here.

The theme was continued by Fleisch and Imker, who said they both have had to apologize to elected and appointed officials, whom the city is trying to “build relationships with,” due to comments made by Haddix.

Imker said he apologized to the Fayette County Development Authority on behalf of all city residents after Haddix wrote in a letter late last month published in The Citizen that alleged the authority wasn’t proactive in seeking new businesses here.

Imker noted that not only has the county development authority attracted large companies here, but it also has financed some $80 million in bonds to get industry to locate here, namely for Cooper Wiring, Cooper Lighting, Sany and the recent expansion of NCR. All of those companies are located in Peachtree City’s industrial park.

“Where does somebody get off saying the Fayette County Development Authority does not proactively pursue businesses,” Imker asked.

Imker said the censure is serving as a notice to Haddix “that things have to change.”

Fleisch said she too “has been on an apology tour as well.”

In addition to apologizing to FCDA, Fleisch said she has had to apologize to the state director of transportation planning for comments that Haddix made. She noted that shortly after the city won a major concession from the Department of Transportation that allowed a blinking safety light in front of the city’s Baseball and Soccer Complex, she was stunned to hear Haddix “denigrating” DOT in the very next council meeting.

“We can’t have that,” Fleisch said. “It’s not right. We cannot develop working relationships with us going around on our apology tours.”

The discussion closed after Imker noted that if Haddix didn’t correct the matter to council’s satisfaction, the council would ask him to resign from office.

The resolution specifically claims that Haddix “has created an untenable work environment by publicly belittling and criticizing current and former city employees, elected officials and appointed officials, resulting in at least one lawsuit with related costs to the city.”

Additionally the document claims that Haddix’s comments and actions “put the City of Peachtree City at financial risk, create an untenable work environment, and damage the City’s relationships with other governmental agencies.”

The resolution asks Haddix to "correctly carry out the duties of Mayor, adhere to the City Charter, Council Rules, and common courtesy, work effectively as a member of the City Council, and work effectively in his capacity of Mayor with other state and local government agencies.

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Don Haddix & Censure

Mayor Haddix
As I read the article published by The Citizen, I sincerely hope that you do not plan to completely dig in and deny the charges as they are laid out.

Yes, this is unpleasant, but its also a moment to reflect on and to see if there is some improvement needed.

Clearly your editorial attack on Eric Imker was completely unprofessional, inaccruate and a poor reflection on the office of mayor. Also, it provides clear focus to many citizens in Peachtree City that we need clear leadership.

As the mayor, you are responsible for leading the city and council. There are 5 members to city council which means that you are obligated to work with them to move our city forward.

Seize this moment to reflect, and turn a new leaf of cooperation with your fellow council members. If you dig in and deny that improvement is needed, you send a message to the citizens that we can expect more of the same from you during the balance of your term as mayor.

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Goal of censure is to ignore Haddix, not embarrass him

Let's look at this from the point of view that is best for the city. The ladies and Eric have spelled it out in their preview - Haddix does not speak for the entire council or the entire city even though he is temporarily the mayor. The censure sends a very public message that Haddix and his antics are to be ignored and when some other government or someone at the state level wants to liase with PTC - anyone but Haddix will be the designated hitter. Ditto and even more so for business wanting to locate here.

In other words, don't focus on Haddix at all. Don't dwell on he must change his behavior or resign, don't make it about him. Don't even allow him to respond. He may thrive on the attention so that he can take what he perceives as a personal attack and turn it back on his attacker (from the Dem playbook, Chapter 1), but don't allow him that. And BTW, you don't even have to allow him a response - simply read the censure and vote on it. Period. Focus on sending the message to outsiders that while PTC made a mistake electing this guy, that doesn't mean the entire city or even city council has gone to the dark side. We are still open for business and want to cooperate with county and state governments and we want business and job growth.

Speaking of which - ladies and Eric, this little floater over the weekend that DAPC might be disbanded, let's think that one through. Do not let Haddix or Sturnbaum participate - just create a staff study group under one of you (Kim would be best) and look at the whole issue of business recruitment and its funding. Interview the former Pathways people and learn about their contacts and funding. You might even want to hire one. Also look at Alpharetta, and some other cities that are still growing and see how they do it. Take 6 months. Leave things alone until then,

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Morgan forgot there's a Charter

Morgan forgot there's a Charter...LOL. But then again, so did Lenox.

Roundie is right.

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I suggest that you ball and chain the Mayor and lock him up until the next election!!

That makes more sense and is more likely to happen than what you proposed!

No one is elected by mistake!
Not even Nixon!

The voters wanted who they voted for due to the competition!

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Speaking The Truth Takes Courage

When Mayor Haddix spoke the truth about our position in the ARC and the 2012 Regional Transportation SPLOST, some folks ridiculed him.

Everyone needs to take a look at the latest front page Citizen article titled, "Frady: Fayette a 'donor' county in regional sales tax, as local projects drop off list."

Censure Mayor Haddix? Shoot, the Commissioners didn't even censure Commissioner Robert Horgan for breaking the law by using and having marijuana in his car, driving with an expired tag and trying to get the arresting officer to make it all go away. They didn't censure him when he violated his probation by showing up for a meeting with his probation officer with alcohol in his system.

So, a public official is going to be censured for speaking his mind and another public official wasn't censured for breaking the law?

There is something wrong with that picture!!!

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Ginga--- the difference

Ginga--- the difference between pieous Smith's "I have to turn the other way" with Horgan and the PTC Council attacking Haddix is that Horgan is a developer's boy. Haddix may be wild but no one controls him. And it was Haddix who first said "FAYETTE COUNTY IS A DONOR COUNTY" !!!

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ptctaxpayer and Dark Madam

I agree!

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Ginga...Neither speak well of the city or county

Two wrongs don't make a right. Robert Horgan should have at the very least been censured. A better choice would have been to have found a way to remove him. What he did reflected poorly on the county of Fayette and on all that voted for him. I have to say that the PTC council seem to want to slow/stop the Haddix runaway train before it gets any worse. The Fayette County commisioners did not appear to have had the "clues" that the PTC council is now seeing. I think we should let this play out and just pray for the best. Maybe at the very least Mayor Haddix will in the future think before he speaks. This alone will help the council and the city function more professionally.

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Maybe you can tell me what "let this play out and pray for the best," means?

Is this just a "saying," or do you mean that you actually do pray to God to interfere in politics? Must be busy in DC today!

Also, what "runaway train" is Mayor Haddix on? If we don't stop it will it crash and if it does will it hit someone?

What "clues" were missing for the Fayette Commissioners about their commissioner? Seemed much more undesirable than what Mayor Haddix has supposedly done!

What has he done anyway except not be "nice" to some?

I think what we have here is that it depends upon whose ox is being gored on Sunday whether or not we stop the bull from goring him and rescue the ox.

Or, maybe it is just "what we have here is a failure to communicate?"

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Haddix is clueless about where much of PTC works

5 days a week. He has no idea of what goes on during the daily commutes of our residents up Hwy 74 into Fulton County and BEYOND. There is a BEYOND you know. I am fortunate that I do not have to commute daily, but I know many who do, and it's not getting any easier. The Metro ATL area must work together on roads, or we all fail.

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SPY: well, I don't care what......

.........you say, I want every penny collected in Fayette County, right down to the last day, spent in Fayette County----even if it is to re-stripe
roads that don't need re-striping!
I don't want none of them other people in northern counties spending our money!

I don't care if it is a road or something that we use---they are supposed to keep it up for us with their money!

We should hire a finance person just to count every penny and where it is spent.

Another thing----if there is only five items on our list to do, and another place has seven----I want one transferred from their list to lour list.

How much the items cost I can't control but I sure can tell when their list is longer than ours!

You know you can't trust those collectors to make sure that
happens neither?

Really got me worried.

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Ginga1414

You are not looking at the whole picture.....

We appreciate your personal situation regarding the Fayetteville extension and its infringement on your property or close to it. Yes, Haddix was opposed to selected issues that supported your cause like the ARC and splost, but people who live in Peachtree City are concerned with the Mayor's pattern of poor behavior and his inability to properly lead the city and council.

Unfortunately, Mayor Haddix has no experience managing people and working as a leader. Also insteading of working with council, he has fought with council which is what he did as a council member. Even in this censure, insteading of learning and changing he wants to fight....

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Ginga1414

You are not looking at the whole picture.....

We appreciate your personal situation regarding the Fayetteville extension and its infringement on your property or close to it. Yes, Haddix was opposed to selected issues that supported your cause like the ARC and splost, but people who live in Peachtree City are concerned with the Mayor's pattern of poor behavior and his inability to properly lead the city and council.

Unfortunately, Mayor Haddix has no experience managing people and working as a leader. Also insteading of working with council, he has fought with council which is what he did as a council member. Even in this censure, insteading of learning and changing he wants to fight....

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Yeah, Haddix is a real hero..or is that zero?

He followed right in the tiny footsteps of Steve Brown in walking out of a public meeting instead of being an adult and just dealing with it. He had no problem in ambushing two PTC employees with the same tactic of putting an item on the agenda at the last minute yet when it's his sorry backside in the line of fire, he whines, as usual.

The standards for you people are so microscopic that you blindly and unquestionably follow anyone who says a few things that you like on one or two issues to the point that it's like a some low-rent cult. You had no problem at all when Brown started touting the EFB because it would simply shift the shafting from yourselves on to "other people" across the county. That was all fine and dandy since it benefited you, yet you howl when politicians do the same things for themselves. Gee...wonder where they got the idea from? I can see why you have immoral and corrupt politicians when the people that elected them have the same low-to-no standards themselves.

You don't live in PTC so don't worry about it. Keep on trying to have Horgan removed from humanity for being convicted of a misdemeanor. OH yeah, I guess that matters since he's FOR the WFB. If he was against it, I doubt any of the howling crowd of cult-followers would give a damn whatsoever if he smokes pot, gets stupid drunk and beats his wife, and also has bad table manners. I've seen your standards and they are rock-bottom low when it comes to people who agree with you, and suddenly lifted way higher for those who don't and no regard for others in the county who might get screwed over themselves.

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Mr. Mayor

Looks like you will have an opportunity to address the council, be prepared to do so, and in the process make a statement about....you and your character.

"Haddix said he has had some support from city residents, and he challenges the position that a majority of city residents support the censure."

Here's your way out, take a survey. No! Demand a survey!

Keep up your effort to do your best....even when it's not good enough.

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Most would not support censure

No way a majority of residents would support a censure. I believe residents are generally pragmatic and want their representatives to work together like adults to find common ground, and not waste time with stupid censure motions that accomplish nothing at best.

If the council folks can't deal with the mayor or can't cut it in general, I suggest they resign and let someone else deal with him. I doubt anyone would blame them for it.

Steve

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No citizensteve, most would not support anything

or be opposed to anything either. Most residents do absolutely nothing when it comes to participating. If we get 20% of the registered voters to actually vote, we think it is reason to celebrate - and that's only 10% of total residents. People win elections around here by fewer than 1,000 votes. Which, I might add, is why we have people like Haddix and others "leading" the government. Sad. Really sad.

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Citizen and Dead guy

Maybe "recall" would be looked upon more favorably?

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National problem

. not just local.

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Survey Says...Haddix gets censured and makes a fool of himself

Mr. Leadership need not bother with defending himself as two weeks is way too short of a time period to make up for a plethora of defects.

I'm sure when Don hangs around the tiny minority of whiners that generally occupy a few seats at every Council meeting and have been hating everything for the last 15 years(or one week after they moved into PTC and couldn't believe how AWFUL it was)or his charming "blunt" wife he hears what he wants to, but I've already talked to enough city employees and neighbors who were saying "worse than Brown" quite a while ago. He's already inspired quite a movement that might make Direct PAC look like a small burp.

The whole tool sharpening biz is pretty ironic. I can believe that after being told repeatedly by people that "you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer" that it inspired him to run a sharpening business in hopes of correcting that :)

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Not the sharpest knife in the drawer - Wow!

That's a great T-shirt for the August 4 meeting. That's funny.

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Mayor Haddix..

Enough is enough..you are a total embarrassment to Peachtree City.

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Yes indeed spyglass, but what can we do? Oh, I know ----

Maybe go August 4 and be supportive of the censure resolution. I will. Hope it leads to something that is better for the city. Worse than Brown? Yes indeed. You win that prize Haddix. Fool, fool, fool.

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mudcat, when will the "Worse than Brown"

T-shirts be ready?

It would be nice if we could all wear one on the 4th to show our support for Don.

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Haddix quotes newly reported on July 27

I swear, you just can't make this stuff up. Here's another gem from Haddix “That is very troubling and very reflective of the majority on council in that when you start denying somebody their first amendment rights and the right of self-defense, that says a lot and it speaks to their character,” Haddix said.

This is in response to a proposed censure motion. Dude's got a big head, but not much in it.

Want another? “I know it’s their perception and they see it that way, but it’s not what I’m getting,” Haddix said.
No Mr. Haddix, but this is more about what you are not getting - specifically a clue that your behavior is the issue. Grammar ain't got much going for it either. John, are you sure these are direct quotes? It sounds more like someone who has just been released from prison than it does a mayor.

One more “I was trying to be civil. But they refused it and as far as I’m concerned, they talked down to me.”
Well Don, let's think of the reasons they may have talked down to you. Was it because you climbed off the dais and had relinquished your role in the meeting? Was it because your behavior is beneath contempt? It wasn't just a short joke.

All right, just one more. Haddix said he felt he could “prove all their accusations false.”
Ok Don, you do that and then we will conclude that these 3 people (maybe even 4 if Doug grows a pair by next Thursday) just made all this stuff up about what you said - even though it is documented in public meetings, at least one lawsuit and the newspapers -and even your own e-mails and postings on this site. Man alive, that is some conspiricy! Wonder how they pulled that off? Getting the state, the county, Cal and John of course, the guy who records the council meetings, getting them together just to bring completely false claims against you. Wow! These people are really evil - and talented to pull something like that off. You 'splain that to us Thursday night, Donnie. Love to hear it. Then when you are done, go away.

Years ago when I was an unruly teenager, blaming everyone else for my shortcomings, my father (rather dramatically) made the point that when you get to the level of blaming everyone else for your problems, you need to carefully examine yourself and your own behavior. Just sayin'.

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Dude has a big head? That the best you got?

Ok, I read the rest and you definitly have a point. Shorty gotta go.

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Hello, PTC Council---- It's the Economy Stupid !!!

While one of the lead stories in the AJC today is whether or not Cobb County has to raise taxes, Peachtree City's Council is preoccupied with trying to scold its Mayor. This is truly pathetic.

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Obviously..

someone hasn't been paying attention to how clueless our Mayor is.

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"Clueless," what does that mean as it applies to Mayor Haddix?

Just what doesn't he have a clue about? Has more than a "clue" as far as I am concerned. He just doesn't like some!

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SPY - would

that be the Mayor himself?

Ummm....I guess not on second thought.

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Before you criticize too harshly....

Before you criticize too harshly, I hope you realize that a vast majority of the lengthy, 4 hour meeting at city hall last night was talk about potential budget solutions. It's obvious from Imker's preparation for the meeting that he, in particular, has spent 100s of hours pouring over all aspects of the cities budget and devising his numerous tax-avoidance proposals. The whole Haddix thing only lasted about 20 min.

I wouldn't call that "preoccupied".

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Thank you for pointing this out....Imker was prepared and is highly focused on the budget. Where's the mayor on this issue? NO WHERE! Not a clue as to what to do or how to fix the financial problems facing the city.

The mayor's response to the budget issue is not to participate and play political games by writing stupid editorials attacking fellow council members.

Then, when the mayor doesn't like the blog responses, he calls his buddies to write attacks of the blog....all 3 or 4 of them who are on here with comments.

We elected a fool as mayor....the censure is necessary!

Mr. Mayor....where's your budget plan? Show us your line item review and cost savings for the budget. Show us how you will increase revenues over the next 12 months to cover any deficits....SHOW THE CITIZENS YOUR PLAN!

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The Budget??

I thought the budget was done---20 some million, isn't it?

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No the budget is not done

Go to the August 4 meeting and see how little the mayor knows!

You speak about "Respect for the Office of Mayor"...that's a laugh, he is no respect for anyone and that compounded by his ignorance...How about respect for the citizens of Peachtree City who elected him and pay his salary!

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The Office, the Office---I said nothing about the holder of the office!
Disrespect for a "system" is dangerous!

The only thing incomplete about the PTC budget is how we are going to pay for it!

Blinders are on all of them since all they want is to use reserves or borrow money instead of cutting the 20 some million!

If none of them were running next time (as it should be) then they would layoff people and cut expenses down to the income without tax increases.

A pox on all of those selfish opinionated people!

If they simply won't make head cuts, then cut salaries 10-15 percent.

The budget is done----just pay for it!

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HADDIX Editorial coming soon

Fasten your seatbelts, another HADDIX edtorial is coming soon.

Now that he has refocused the attention back on himself and away from Eric Imker who was receiving too much praise and headlines in The Citizen, our elected mayor has warned us a response is forthcoming. Instead of working on budget cut recommendations, this weekend is being spent crafting next week's editorially response!

Let's see, here is a list of "blames" that we can anticipate:

Eric Imker
Kim and Vannesa
The Citizen
John Mumford with The Citizen for writing his articles!
All the other newspapers in Georgia that have published
negative articles about him.
Harold Logsdon
FCDA
Mayor Steele
Low Temp (for not moving)
The City Planner (Haddix is still gunning for him)
The City Attorney (Haddix does like his advice to "shutup")
GDOT
NorSouth
Economic Development Manager - past, present and future
Every developer within 50 miles of PTC
Atlanta ARC
GRTA
All dogs off leash
Anyone carrying a walking sign
Mike King

Apologies to anyone left off this list who wishes to appear!

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L. Sussberg

Don't forget yourself and your mismanagement of the planning committee.

I agree that he will blame it on someone else because he is incapable in believing that he has anything at all to do with the problems we are facing in leadership.

He will not resign though, this would require way too much class.

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John Munford, will the Citizen be selling

8 x 10 high rez framed copies of this picture?

I know mudcat would want to hang one next to her 'Steve Brown' dart board.

Maybe you or The Citizen could market a Haddix voodoo doll? They sould be big sellers come election time.

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The 8x10's would make good protest signs

Mount them on cardboard with the words "Resign!" or "Chicken" or "Quitter" printed across the bottom and hand them out at the next meeting for the crowd to wave at the mayor. BTW, his little walking out stunt has one unintended consequence - the Atlanta media - especially that dork from Channel 5 will be at the next meeting further embarrassing our fair city. Good job Don, we need more negative publicity. It was already in the AJC this AM.

Speaking of the picture, all but David Rast have heads down - ashamed for the stunt and embarrassed for the city. I'm sure David is as well, but his posture is more like - "HMMMM, we really do have a fool in charge here, don't we?"

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RWM: Media invitations

I see it as the complainer's fault!
The Mayor isn't keeping these thing going---it is the complainers!

This was predicted to happen when a bunch of sore losers started the impeachment! Over nothing.

Same thing they are trying on President Obama (won't work) drum up scandalous minor "un-nice" things that have no serious problems.

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Oh, bac-ptc, you are almost

correct here, but not quite.

The next frame shot that Mr. Munford was not allowed to publish was the one in which the party leaving the room stopped, looked over his shoulder and mooned the 3 he left behind (and I do mean behind). Drop trou and all. Erica took her glasses off, as they got all steamed up immediately. Kimmy did her famous "Now, Don, I mean Mayor Haddix, is that REALLY necessary?" in that screechy midwife voice, and Vanna shook her bushy brown hair, rocked back and forth and whispered, "Oh my, I think that this can't quite be happening."

The new mgr. then threw his name tag on his desk and started bawling like a baby. The police chief looked down to check his newest crime stats on his blackberry (whew, still top-o-the line!), the fire chief got on his walkie talkie and was heard to say something almost as unintelligible as, "Where are my *&^%$#@ fire hoses when I really need them?" The city attorney sighed heavily, looked up at the ceiling, and wondered why oh why his mother hadn't named him Jose Baez instead.

The two elderly women left in the audience woke up just in time to see this spectacle. They grabbed each other and followed him out to the lobby where they asked him if he would meet them at the Y-Not for a rock em, sock em good time. The Keep PTC Beautiful guy leaned over and exclaimed (to no one in particular), "Now, this just ISN'T what I had in mind, y'all."

The public info. officer muttered, "Now, where in tarnation will this press release photo fit into my scrapbook?" The guy who sits at the little table filming all this for the city's 150th PTC anniversary video that will come out in the year 2110 immediately realized he should have taken Spielberg up on his offer years ago. And this publisher will be talkin' to the Enquirer on Monday.

Hollywood couldn't have scripted this any better.

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That's actually a fishwife voice

but I like the whole thing you 3 stooges have written. All I would add is Randy Gaddo being hired by the Citizen as a local political editor. And most of what you wrote is still possible on August 4. A rollickin' good time. I do think some people will use the TV cameras that night to announce they are running for office this fall or next - after they pile on Haddix after the censure. Bradshaw, Hollums, Pullias, Rowland. Maybe even Chapnan or Viall.

Erica, Vanna and Kimmy. Good nicknames. Fishwife voice or not (and its not really all that bad), I still think Kimmy would be a good choice for next mayor. Sooner rather than later, but as I said before, Haddix won't resign unless he gets an out of state job offer. Hmmmmm. Wonder if some wealthy business owner can arrange that? Can we hope for California?

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Are We Capable of Self Governance?

What in the world is happening in the PTC government?

Are we demonstrating that we are incapable of self governance?

Think it is past time that adults put on their big boy and big girl pants and start serving the citizens of PTC, and QUIT acting like petulant children -- and that pertains to the mayor and city council!

Do not think it is very enticing to potential businesses or citizens to read of these childish hissy fits!

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Wheel

Think you shouldn't limit your observation to just PTC. Seems that Fayette county and the U.S. government are in the same boat. Maybe the state too, but I can't think of any problems there at the moment. And no, I don't think HB 87 is a problem.

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At the moment wheeljc

We’re dysfunctional at best.

Now the real question is what will we do about it?

I say, we must wait until the next election, just like at the national level.

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Now boys and girls..............

"Can't y'all just git along??

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August 4 Council Meeting

My teenager will be at the next council meeting in order to be recognized for graduating from Teen CERT. We were hoping for a short, uneventful meeting! But I guess this one will certainly be educational. Perhaps it's a good thing that there will be a room full of teens who know how to operate a fire extinguisher!

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Busy Bee, why spoil the moment

The awards are given at the beginning of the meeting. After that I would suggest you take our newly minted CERT graduate out for a well deserved dinner. Their achievement shouldn't be marred by what will shortly follow at the meeting.

Your family should grasp the moment and celebrate this accomplishment.

As for what will transpire later at the meeting is anybodies guess at this point; I feel it's a safe bet your family doesn't need to witness the carnage.

As for everybody else, I would suggest that you bring your kids to the meeting as they will no doubt get a civics lesion they won't soon forget.

Who knows, this might be the lesson they need to learn so as to NOT pursue a carrier in politics or a lesson in thinking before one speaks.

Either way, it will be a learning experience they won't get in any high school government class.

You decide.

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Bad

Yeah, blind the kids to reality.

Don't let them watch TV about Washington right now either!

Do you really think kids of that age don't already know these days?

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Maybe your teen could help the city, Busybee

Have him or her thank the mayor for the award and then ask why he (the mayor) is being such a butt about everything. Tell him we all need to get along to go along. Tell him not to be an Obama. Tell him the men in little white coats are coming to take him away, away. Coming to take him away, ha, ha.

A boom box playing that song would be a good addition to the next city council meeting. EMT's standing by.

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Haddix running scared...

Frankly, I wish he would do us all a big favor and resign.

As a Peachtree City resident, I can clearly state that you do not in any way represent my City as it deserves to be represented. Laughing stock comes to mind when you're brought up.

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All that chatter

.....after the Mayor recused him self was as out of order as was their accusations of the Mayor!

Once there was not a quorum, then these catty witties had no legal right to perform semi-murder upon the Mayor!

Maybe if they would resign?

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.roundabout , as I have asked others not to indulge you

I must break my own rule here.

As you can't seem to to type in complete sentences nor can you convey a complete cogent thought, I will 'never-the-less' attempt to decipherer your meaning.

Your post of, "after the Mayor recursed him self was as out of order as was their accusations of the Mayor!".

I believe that should translate into the English language as something like, "after the Mayor recursed himself; the Mayor was as out of order as was their accusations of the Mayor". I hope I got your meaning correct.

The Mayor recursing himself was entirely in order and correct. The councils accusation were and are entirely correct and "in order" as it were.

Please look up the definition of 'recuse' and/or 'recused'.

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bad---Is Washington as bad currently?

The Speaker of the House walking out of a meeting with the Chief Executive of the USA? Who does he think he is, the second in line for the job?

Of course the republicans and the TEAS see no urgency to the problem---getting re-elected is the most important!

The dissident and hindering bums all have to go soon.

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Legal

The meeting was not adjorned and they had every right to continue - they simply could not vote for the resolution because they lacked a quorum for a vote. I fail to understand how anyone can remotely justify his attacks on fellow council members, his attacks on almost every government entity with which the city has to cooperate, his attacks on staff members...... The information presented was not gossip. It was factual and well documented. His presence here in the blogs, which is half of what created the need for the resolution, just demonstrates his infinite lack of common sense, polital savy, integrity.....

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There was no point in order...

When the Mayor caused a quorum not to exist. Certainly not the point the ladies harped and harped about!

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Council Women Learnard & Fleisch

First of all; Thanks for the best laugh I've had in years. I really thought way more of you two ladies than to let yourself get maneuvered into this kind of debacle. My respect for Imker - not so much. Does Don Haddix need a reality check on a regular basis? ABSOLUTELY! But that's not the point here anymore. You two went into this little ambush ill informed and ill prepared, wound up doing more harm than good and making fools of yourself in the bargain. As the expression is used; The Mayor just "left 'em jerking".

Do you two really think that a criticism from Don Haddix or an apology from you, for that matter, is going to make a rat's backside difference in ANYTHING that GADOT does. A blinking caution light on a very dangerous spot on a State highway is a "major victory" ... I don't think so.

The only semi relevant subject that you listed was the relationship with the FCDA and the Mayor DOES need to rethink that issue. Imker says that you three will ask him to resign if you don't get what you want? Bwahahaha.

Seriously, don't the three of you have enough egg on your face now? Don't like negativity? Then GET OUT OF POLITICS!

Thanks to The Citizen for a comprehensive and fairly reported news piece.

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Agree with Major Mike on PTC Council Members

Major Mike is right--- now the gang of 3 has embarrassed themselves in an attempt to embarass Haddix. They all look bad.

I also agree with his comments on DOT. They are by far the most powerful agency in Georgia (law enforcement included) and don't even care about criticism. You are right--- a lousy stinking, blinking light--- hardly a victory.

Imker, Fleisch and Learned do not look particularly stoic at this point in time and must be desparately looking for a way out of the same pit that Haddix is in. This may result in a total anti-incumbent sentiment to simply "throw the bums out". I would hate to be an incumbent in PTC this fall running for re-election.

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No, the gang of 3 has the moral high ground

No doubt about it. They have addressed the embarrassing behavior, distanced themselves (and the city) from the mayor's relationship-killing statements and the expensive lawsuits that sometimes follow. No, those 3 are doing exactly the right thing. Thefailed ambush could have been an attempt to avoid the Atlanta media, but as I said before - that cat is now out of the bag. Haddix like Brown before his is so deranged, he may even call the TV stations himself so his rambling and incoherent response can be all over the airways. If we have to be on TV, I'd prefer Logsdon drunk to Haddix sober.

But no matter what, big month coming up in August. On the 4th we have the aforementioned censure motion and the dopey little response. Then we'll have a couple of days of bad press coverage. Might even get an interview with Industry and Trade asking about how disfunctional we are down here. Then we'll have a couple of gadfly candidates chiming in trying to ride the wave of anti-Haddix publicity and then on the 29th the actual qualifying begins for the 2 council seats. Hope we get some good people with a good strategy for winning. I can live with Imker and he's helped himself quite a bit lately. Dougie is dead meat if he runs, he can't break from the image of that "me and Doug" foolishness.

Pullias, Bradshaw, Hollums, King come on.

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Council candidates

It would seem to me that any current member of the council who tries to run again is wasting every one's time.
They can't win after showing their rear-ends lately. Nobody wants to fool with such cry babies and disruptors; and simple people with a lack of any respect for the office of Mayor, whether they like the Mayor or not.

What we need is someone to run whose promise is "CHANGE."
Someone who likes teenagers!

I vote for DM.

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PTC Council this fall

Imker and Sturbaum's seats are the two up for grabs. I think Imker has a pretty decent chance of reelection and Sturbaum is definitely iffy. He was a Haddix stooge for a while but has lately voted against him and with the other 3 on a couple of key issues. He might be able to run as the "voice of reason" against the solid 3 majority and also Haddix who is more despised now in PTC than even Brown managed to do. Sturbaum might not be able to overcome the baggage of a couple of years' worth of Haddix spouting "me and Sturbaum...me and Sturbaum" at this point.

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Hang in there Nuk. Just ignore him

If I can do it, you can do it. Think of it as an annoying little fruit fly that is going to be eaten by a bat very soon - maybe tonight. You'll just wake up one day and he won't be there. Just like the others.

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Wow---"Morgan" is right---Just ignore Haddix

That's the whole point...The Council should ignore Haddix. They disagree with his opinions? Great. What if Haddix was a Klansman and proposed Klan stuff at meetings. That would be embarrassing. But the way that Council has handled this has brought on more embarassment. They should have had the confidence to know that someone will come along and beat Haddix. Instead, the remaining council members have turned our City proceedings into a carnival.

Go Morgan--- you're sounding more like Annie every day.

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EIGHT TURTLES

A SONNET TO PTC GOVERNMENT

A movie there is soon to be, right here.
It is about plots and schemes to prevail.
Involved in this plot will be a lot of beer.
All they want is to ride the Mayor on a rail!

Much laughter will hit the media of the suburbs,
Even Jay will find a great deal of foolishness.
People trying to be treated nicely--no blurbs.
And a Mayor who suffers no intent to confess.

Yes, like the town that quit smoking to be rich,
PTC will soon require that it's officials be nice.
That way straight and narrow will never hit the ditch.
In order to layoff not a soul, they will roll the dice!

There must be a way to tie in the scandalous APS schools,
With the antics of a suburb's officials acting like fools.

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What if a frog had pockets?

He'd carry pistols and shoot snakes.

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Uh oh. here's another one

Ignore, Ignore, Ignore.

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Wouldn't that be Sturbaum and I?

What is a pretty decent chance?

Does "iffy" mean, no way?

Voices of reason are old fashioned--no body knows what reason means.

Even Boehner and Obama don't seem to know!
Isn't it defined by re-election chances now.

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cogitoergofay - You're

" I would hate to be an incumbent in PTC this fall running for re-election."

You're right, but I think we can make that a county, state and national statement as well.

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Time to part ways

When a governing body reaches the point of censure, it's time to part ways. Nothing short of a radical transformation will restore a healthy working relationship.

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Question about recusal?

Now that Mayor Haddix has recursed himself and left the meeting can I 'assume' he can no longer participate in any further discussions if this issue is brought up again at a future council meeting?

I'm not sure the meeting could have been 'officially' adjourned as there wasn't a quorum left to vote on adjournment.

Does than mean that the July 22 council meeting will continue where it left off at the next scheduled PTC council meeting?

Any and all 'Roberts Rules of Order' or city ethics experts chime in.

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Haddix

No one wants to hear your response! Enough editorials!

PTC citizens are tired of your personal attacks on Imker and other council members, we are tired of your personal attacks on the previous mayor and city hall employees, we are tired of your lies and most of all we are tired of the fact that you have accomplished nothing as the mayor except bad publicity throughout the region and state of Georgia

We, the citizens who pay your salary, have had enough!

Do your job or step down.

Learn from the censure and start to do your job, if you do not, and start writing more editorials, you are telling the citizens that you are not capable of learning and to expect more of your inappropriate behavior.

If you don't stop, we, the citizens will begin to organize to make sure you are not re-elected. STOP NOW! Learn and move forward, do the job you were elected to do!

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Haddix: Question

I only recused myself from the agenda item for that meeting, not a future one. That was part of my statement of recusal. So, yes, I can participate in the next Meeting.

There are two kinds of quorums. 3 to hold a meeting and 4 to allow votes. 3 can discuss but cannot vote. 3 can both open and adjourn. We have had quorums of 3 at workshops before.

I will also add of early this morning the executive session issues are moving forward. There is no delay of pressing city business.

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Haddix...OMG Just Shut Up Please

Save it for the next meeting!

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Answer

You left knowing that an executive session was forthcoming after the last agenda item, which translates into placing one's self above serving the city. We all realize the mistake in electing you, the exception to that realization is you.

The picture of your back turned to the city staff and the residents speaks volumes.

Again, resign now and allow the recovery to begin.

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Haddix: King

I will be addressing that kind of issue in my response as well.

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This just gets funnier and funnier..

Please Mr. Mayor, just resign.

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Haddix:

I walked out because the Censure was not posted until close of business day on Wednesday, a revision was on the Dias at the meeting, full Council was not present and they would not wait one more meeting.

Further, they said I had no right to respond to their accusations.

What was said in this article will be addressed along with the Resolution itself.

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Mayor

You walked out because of your cowardice to face up to your shortcomings. The right thing to do now is to resign and allow a truly honorable individual take the reins until the citizens have the opportunity to make another choice. We both know that Doug will at least listen, and with you out of the picture he might just prove capable of bringing credibility back to the office that is currently soiled.

Walk away now and avoid further embarrassment to yourself and, more importantly, this fine city.

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Good idea Mike. I'll ask Cyndi to come next council meeting

That's in two weeks. Right? I'll have Cyndi there so when Haddix resigns she can take over immediately. After all she came in second and she does have experience on council. That ok with you?

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Sure, it's OK

That means Senator McCain becomes Presient if President Obama vacates, doesn't it?

If it sounds like a duck, and speaks like a duck, then she is a Quack!

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Having Cyndi present would be fine, but please realize that should Don decide to be honorable and resign, the Mayor Pro Tem is next in line. Currently that title belongs to Mr Sturbaum, who, I believe, would preside as mayor until his term is over this year.

Who knows? We could possibly elect a mayor and two new council members this November.

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The One That Needs To Be Present

is the former Hizzoner! The current Hizzoner would probably cough up a large hairball at having to bend over for for his public paddling in the presence of he who must not be named except in counter lawsuits!

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Mike King-wrong again

The Mayor Pro-Tem is Councilman Imker, not Councilman Sturbaum.

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moelarrycurly, you are correct

When did that happen?

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bad_ptc-let me see

I think it started about the time Erica was getting dressed into her best suit and tie and dying her fair locks to look pretty for the hoped for Atlanta TV cameras she was going to get to preen into and to smirk at the citizenry she was hoping to be named supreme ruler of right after she belittled the current mayor publicly enough so as to cause him to tell Erica that she could be the new mayor without benefit of actually being voted into office democratically, but have it handed to her if she got the 2 other girlies all whipped up into their periomenopausal frenzy enough to agree that he should be their savior.

Yup, that's when.

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moelarrycurly, then I can assume

you can't remember when it happened either.

OK thanks.

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bad-you're right

assumption correct. Mea culpa.

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MOE???

You mean Mike has been wrong before?

I don't ever remember that! Oh, he is wrong all of the time so maybe this one is correct!

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MLC

My mistake, then it would be Imker who could serve out his term as mayor until the residents make another choice.

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