What is it with you gun lovers? Don’t you see damage they do?

What is it with you gun lovers? (And I feel as though I am asking the minority of Americans).

You cling to the Second Amendment as though it were written yesterday; it was written 228 years ago, and back then, the “arms to bear” were single-shot rifles or pistols. What if the amendment stated: “Only single-shot arms allowed”?

Even I would approve of that, and I hate guns. Why do any of you need a automatic rifle?

How anyone can find “beauty in a well-designed and manufactured rifle or pistol” is beyond my comprehension. There is absolutely no beauty is a “manufactured and designed” device, that, when loaded with a powered projectile, is capable of the destruction it can administer.

Oh, I forgot! It’s not the gun that kills?

A few years ago, President Obama attended a town hall meeting in a city that has laws on the book, allowing one to carry a loaded gun. (Portsmouth, N.H.). A man there attended this meeting with a pistol and holster strapped to his leg. Do you suppose he felt threatened by The President being there? (“Is The President gonna pull out a gun and try to shoot me?”)

Why teach a 12-year-old how to shoot a automatic rifle, or any other powerful weapon?

(If she rolls her eyes at you, give her the water pistol and she will be much happier.) You don’t know the memories that might cling to a child, when the child is taught unordinary teachings. I’ve never been to a gun range, but I would assume that, once the firing is completed, that you examine your target to review, not the damage done to the target, but your accuracy. You would not want any student to see the damages that these same type bullets could inflict upon flesh and bone; even the news media won’t show us the horror of it all.

When I was a child, a father in our neighborhood thought he heard a burglar in the middle of the night, and he took his loaded pistol from beneath his pillow, and killed his only son. You could hear the mother crying throughout the neighborhood. She cried for three days and three nights. And I cried too.

One of my best friends loved guns, and he had a locked gun rack cabinet in his home. His young son learned how to “pick the lock,” and killed himself. The guns and gun rack are no longer in my friend’s home.

After completing my four years in the US Air Force, I started college, under the GI Bill.

After the first quarter, I went home that weekend to visit my parents. Looking through the closet, I found the trusty old BB gun that I had as a young boy. With nothing better to do, I went for a walk in the woods behind our home. I spotted a bird in a tree, aimed, and pulled the trigger.

The bird fell to the ground. I walked over to examine my “kill,” and picked up the lifeless body of what had been a beautiful woodpecker.

Immediately I asked myself, ”Why?” I buried the bird, took the rifle home, smashed it to pieces, and put it in the garbage can.

Since that time, I have fired no weapon, not even a sling shot. No guns are in my home. I can still laugh, though, at fun with a water pistol.

I must agree that a deranged individual who has thoughts of causing bodily harm to others has more than guns as his weapon of choice; but we should at least start the framework of trying to make the gun less popular for these sick people. The Coalition To Stop Gun Violence would be the place to start.

Hugh Buchanan

Peachtree City, Ga.

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"Guns" Don't Do Harm, People Do.

I'm confident none of the guns I own have caused any harm or damage to anyone other than paper or steel targets (no, I don't hunt).

These are inanimate objects and only respond to human use... much like a hammer, a butcher knife or a keyboard on a computer. None of these cause harm unless in the hands of dangerous, ignorant or stupid people.

I don't "love" guns, but I do "LOVE" the freedom to own them and the protection they afford me & my family as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment within the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution.

You have the right to not own them and you should exercise that right if that's your choice. But please don't tell me what I should do.

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obama is coming after our guns

Instead of concentrating on the economic recovery of our country, this 'president' focuses most of his energy on attempts to infringe on our constitutional rights.

He has no regard or respect for the constition, rights, America, or Americans. He wants to be a dictator.

What happened the "laser-like" focus on job creation that he promised? It seems he is quick to try to infringe his will on our civil rights, but he couldn't give a rats ass about growing this economy.

obama is just a mean, evil little boy in a mans body. He knows gun control laws will mean that only criminals will end up with guns. That's what he wants because it appeals to his nature as a thug.

White House weighs broad gun-control agenda

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2 Stories.. One with a Gun and one without...

Which do you think turned out better..?

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20506539/woman-shoots-home-invader-in-...

Woman shoots alleged home invader in Walton County

"According to Walton County Chief Deputy Keith Brooks, the woman was working upstairs when she spotted a man outside the window of her home on Henderson Ridge Lane. The woman, who was home with her 9-year-old twins, heard the man knock at the door. She called her husband, who said that he wasn't expecting anyone at the house.

The woman said that the man went to his vehicle and returned with a crowbar. The man then forced his way inside and rummaged through the home.

The woman grabbed a revolver fled into a crawlspace with her children.

When the man opened the crawlspace door, she fired six shots with her .38 revolver, hitting the man several times.

"She comes out of the crawlspace and she's standing over the perpetrator, who she says is crying, telling her to stop shooting," said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman."

OR....

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20501099/home-intruders-shoot-injure-w...

Home intruders shoot, injure woman in Fulton County

"Police say a Fulton County woman is recovering after home intruders broke into her home and shot her several times. Authorities say the victim is an employee of the Fulton County Marshall's Office.

According to Fulton County police, 54-year-old Melissa Burke heard a knock on her door. Moments later, she heard the intruders breaking into her house on Estonian Drive near Fairburn just before midnight and called 911. They say Burke, who was home alone, tried to hide but the intruders found her and opened fire.
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We Must Ban Hammers!

Or at least limit the size to really small ones made of plastic!

http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/2013/01/03/fbi-more-people-killed-h... GP

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A letter to Senator Dianne Feinstein

From multiple sources:

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
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2004-2012

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Semper fi, Josh. But beware of the liberal

These people in Washington after awhile do get an entitlement or is it a royalty mentality and I assure you this California Democrat does indeed think of you as her servant. I respect you and others serving the country much more than any of these clowns in Washington - and I include both Democrats and Republicans in that statement.

The good news is that this loopy Senator and many of her brethern do not care a whit about guns, gun control, violence or assault weapons (whatever the heck they are). This is simple pandering to the stupid voters following the Dems playbook. In fact it is the devious power-hungry party hacks directing the elected Dems who parrot the same crap on the crisis du jour to reinforce their stranglehold on the people that actually are dumb enough to vote for Obama (twice). Of course the bad news is, there is more of them than there are of us. All the more reason to have an AR-15. Might be time to get one.

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Interesting CY

So, if I can pose the question:

Is the armed protection of our elected representatives by hired gunmen paid for by taxpayer dollars more justified than an individual that is armed that protects his person or his family?

Further:

The Constitution is the final supreme law of the land. Therefore, by what authority does an elected representative have in restricting the ownership and use of devices necessary for self protection? How does restricting gun use square with the plain language set forth in the Constitution's second Amendment?

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No.

As for you second question, lets change it to the plural - elected representatives. After all, it has to pass by a vote unless.....well unless the President elects through decree to take action via gun restrictions. It well then be left up to the "supremes" - our highest court - to figure that one out. Hopefully, they'll judicate wisely.

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obama And The Liberals Are Going To Try To Take Our Guns Away

Unfortunately, we have a 'president' in office that is a thug and wants to be a dictator rather than lead our country into prosperity and economic liberty. It appeals to the thug nature that he cultivated back in his days as a community agitator back in Chicago. Everyone, including obama, knows that further gun restrictions will only affect law abiding citizens. The thugs and criminals will continue to break the law and rob and kill the innocent. obama knows it and thats the way he wants it. He wants fewer law abiding citizens to have guns, just like dictators before him.

Notice how he is quick to act when it comes to higher taxation, spending, and limiting of our constitutional rights, yet when it comes to growing the economy and economic liberty, he is very slow to act. What happened to his 'jobs commission' and his 'laser-like' focus on creating jobs? This 'president' can't even do something so simple as to pass a budget- it's above his pay grade and his intelligence.

White House weighs broad gun-control agenda

He doesn't want to lead this nation, he wants to control it like a dictator.

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Were you too in the Marines?

My ex was in Force Recon. Know what that is?

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Sugar foot

Cy has asked me to tell you to google Joshua Bloom.

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Yep

Agree completely.

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Another Theater Shooting But No Press???
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Blacks Should Embrace NRA Gun Proposal

Star Parker hits the nail square on the head with this article:

http://townhall.com/columnists/starparker/2012/12/31/blacks-should-embra... GP

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THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT

I received this in an email. I thought it might be good to re post it here.

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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

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When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force

I know you believe that - but there are too many young people who found out the hard way that just because you carry, you cannot be forced. I 'carried' for years, but never thought that I needed to forget common sense in being aware of my surroundings, etc. In urban areas, a too large number of corpses had a gun. There are valid reasons for 'carrying and having guns in the home, and valid reasons for limiting the number of guns that are in an urban neighborhood. Certainly someone can use reason to handle these situations in our country!

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DM

The quote that you reference is from the email. It's not something that I said. Overall I think the email's message is a good one but I understand that just because I carry that doesn't mean that I'm invincible.

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Understood.

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The Nazi Roots of U.S. Gun Control Laws

All Tyrannical Governments throughout history disarmed their citizens!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/the-nazi-roots-of-u-s-gun-control-laws/ -GP

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EXACTLY G...EXACTLY GP....

G.. Thank you for the quote it was and always has been my argument.

GP... This is one of my most fervent arguments... Germany was a Democratic Society when the population was armed. When they GAVE UP their arms the Government turned Tyrannical.

Many say that will NEVER happen in the US.. I say BS to that we are already headed down that same path with little Dictators like Bloomberg telling people what they can eat, drink, do and even trying to tell other Citizens in other States what they can buy...

We are one Justice away from having the 2nd interpreted as only the "Military" should have guns and viola we are Germany.

The only difference is most of us won't give up our guns willingly...

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Ban High Capacity Egg Cartons!

Man dies after eating 28 eggs, surely high capacity egg cartons should be banned! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/dhaou-fatnassi-raw-eggs_n_23719...

Meanwhile, Chicago, you know, the city with strict gun controls, recorded it's 500th murder of 2012 http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/chicago-records-500th-homicide-of-2012/?cat_o...

Newsflash people, CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY LAWS!

Another assault weapons ban is not the answer, we already have data from the last ban, The 'Assault Weapons Ban' did NOT stop Columbine or ANY other school shootings during the ban!

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has an idea of how to deal with school shootings. Arpaio said Thursday that he plans to deploy his armed volunteer posse to protect Valley schools from the kind of violence that happened in the Connecticut shooting tragedy. Arpaio believes having armed law officers around schools will deter would-be criminals from trying anything violent and, possibly, stop them if they do.

Arpaio first started using his posse to protect malls during the holiday shopping season in 1993 in response to violent incidents in prior years. Since then he said malls where his posse members are on patrol have had zero violent re-occurrences and patrols by his all-volunteer squad during the 2012 shopping season netted a record 31 arrests. GP

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Give an inch they take a mile...

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

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SL: I'm for furthering firearm regulations

I'm not sure that this position is against libertarian principles since not all libertarians agree on everything, especially when it comes to abortion.

I'm not for banning anything in relation to guns/weapons/capacity of magazines, but I'm ready to minimize what the insane(that are growing daily it seems) can do to innocents. I also feel like anyone who owns a MAC-10 or TEC-9, two of the cheapest and biggest pieces of crap yet lethal weapons that only gangbangers seem to buy, need to go through more than a simple background check or none at all. There are ways to tighten things up without depriving people of some alleged rights.

I don't see this as a slippery slope to loss of "rights." It indeed could turn into that, but what we're doing right now isn't working at all.

I may be a libertarian, but I've always advocated for stricter controls on who gets a driver's license and when they have to renew/prove they can still drive a car properly. I think it's time to apply a higher standard to firearms too. We haven't yet on driving but maybe we'll get there one day. Same with guns and ammo.

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Put this in your pipe and smoke it

Some numbers to chew on....according to the CDC, 1200 people die each day from tobacco related illnesses, or roughly 443,000 people per year. According to the FBI, in 2011 there were 8,583 murders committed across the US with a firearm of some sort.

Handguns, currently not on the "assault weapon ban" agenda are used 10:1 over shotguns and rifles combined.

With all the discussion of banning so called "assault weapons", why isn't tobacco being banned? After all, in just 7 days, yes 1 week; they would save as many people as were murdered with some form of firearm in a year. Not to mention it should lower the costs to the medical care of those that are dying of tobacco related illnesses.

Also, it should be pointed out that the State of New York, which has some of the tightest gun control laws in the US, is ranked 5th in murder rate by firearm. California, another gun control state leads the nation in murder by firearm. Can you say "failed policy"?

Data:

http://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/aag/osh.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-...

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UK- just like austrailia, after gun ban
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UK, in 1996 the deaths of 16 children aged five and six together with their teacher in the Scottish town of Dunblane in 1996 was one of Britain's worst incidents of gun-related violence. it directly led to them banning all handguns.
2012 UK Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

i dont understand. austrailia bans guns, gun crimes go up. UK bans guns, gun crimes go up. Didnt anybody tell the criminals that banning guns makes crime go down? And now Piers Morgan wont shut his fat mouth about how we need to change our laws to be more liek the UK. ummm....pass. but thanks.

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First Responders shot

Four firefighters in New York shot today when arriving to put out a blaze. Two are dead.

More results of following for years and years the insane NRA driven policy that the USA needs more and more guns and more easy access to them. I am sure the NRA will now say we should arm all firefighters, have swat teams accompany them on all calls, etc. Anything to sell more guns.

We need to stop listening to lunatics like Wayne LaPierre of the NRA. He is just a huckster and lobbyist for the firearms industry. Now he wants to set policies for our schools. His proposals are insane and should be ignored. Sadly too many politicians (especially Republicans) will be afraid to challenge him.

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lion - what about the policy is insane?
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Now he wants to set policies for our schools. His proposals are insane and should be ignored.

are you referring to his suggestion that police be stationed in schools? It would be hard to ignore that policy, since it is already in place here in FayCo. Or did you not realize they had guns? Exactly what is it about the policy you feel is insane?

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Renault--Insane NRA school policy

Yes, the NRA proposal that all schools have armed guards is insane. And it is pathetic that the Georgia Superintendent of Education agrees with Wayne La Pierre on this.

There are nearly 99,000 schools in the USA. And there are over 4,000 colleges and universities. Many of the schools and most of the colleges are not only large buildings but have many buildings in their complexes. So how many armed guards will be required by the NRA idea? I suspect far more than you and other conservatives are willing to pay for. Columbine had an armed guard. Virginia Tech had campus police force and a SWAT team. And the killing continued.

Some schools now have armed and unarmed guards. Most are inadequately armed and trained to deal with a mass killer armed with an assault weapon. These policeman are in the schools to deal with situations the principal or teachers cannot handle or ones which may require official police intervention. They are also in the schools or P.R. purposes--to make the students realize that the police are their friends.

Any place Americans congregate is a potential target of a person with a weapon of mass killing. Not only schools, but also movie theaters, shopping malls, military post,etc. Perhaps the next restaurant you go to or the next church service you attend? Are we to turn all of America into an armed camp?
The NRA is controlled by leadership whose only goal is to sell more weapons and to frighten Americans to foolishly spend their money on unneeded weapons.

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Lion - Insane Proposal?

Was it insane when President Clinton proposed the same idea?

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323

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Lion..just so that you know...

... EVERY Politician's child goes to a school where they have ARMED guards...Including the President so.....

If it is good enough for them why is it not good enough for our kids.

Or would you rather just the Elites have protection but not the masses... How very Marxist of you.

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Lion-Texas already thought of that
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So how many armed guards will be required by the NRA idea? I suspect far more than you and other conservatives are willing to pay for.

I think Texas has that part covered. Maybe we just follow their lead?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/20/texas-town-teachers...

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Renault--NRA insane school proposal

The NRA proposal to have armed guards in our schools is absurd and insane.

The police (armed and unarmed)now in our schools are not adequately armed nor trained to stop a mass killing by a gunman with an automatic weapon. Columbine had an armed guard. Virginia Tech had armed campus police and a SWAT team.

The school police are there to assist the principal or teachers when minor problems get out of hand and situations that might require official police intervention. They are also there for P.R reasons--get the kids to see police as their friends.

There are nearly 99,000 schools in the USA and over 4,000 colleges. Most are very large facilities. Colleges and many schools have multiple buildings. So, how many "armed guards" would be needed? And all armed to the hilt.

Schools are just one type of place people congregate and can be targets of mass killers. Movie theaters, shopping malls, even a military post have been recent targets. Are we to turn all of America into an armed camp while Americans cower in fear and trust the NRA to keep us safe?

The NRA proposal is intended to sell more guns and set an extreme position with which sane Americans are supposed to bargain and negotiate. That is all. And responsible citizens will indeed judge the NRA position to be insane.

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We Should Use School Marshals

Same deal as Air Marshals, suit/tie expert Sharpshooter with a pistol concealed and quick access to a rifle.

He could have a panic button that would signal the entire school to go into lock-down.

All schools should have modern/proper access controls and alarms with limited entrances.

Properly trained staff should be allowed to carry concealed.

Aren't our children and grandchildren important enough to deserve this protection?

Or maybe we could all just send our children to Sidwell Friends School, where there are ELEVEN Armed Guards. http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/of-armed-school-guards-and-hypoc... -GP

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Armed law enforcement in schools
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The Question is

do we respond with COMMON SENSE or Emotion to solve the murders by people with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES?

Infringing on the Constitutional Rights of law abiding citizens with firearms IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Obama, Feinstein et/al are busy whipping up emotion to attack the 2nd instead of addressing the real problems we face! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/06/Obama-Exploits-Sandy-... GP

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Intruder dead in Sacramento home invasion...

Dec 22, 2012

The fatally wounded intruder was pronounced dead at the scene by Sacramento Fire Department personnel.

Something tells me the anti-gun crowd will, for some reason, miss this story.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/12/sacramento-police-1-dead-...

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Oh The Story Isn't MIssed Cy......

"Ignored" would be a better assessment......

Imagine if all the 'prevented crimes and murders' as a result of armed and responsible citizens were reported on......

Many of us have been saved from being a victim as a result of being armed.

Merry Christmas everyone. Peace and Hope to all....

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Merry Christmas!!!!

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NRA should advertise stories that highlight protection

I think the NRA suggestion of armed officers in all schools is pretty lame(and expensive). They should be highlighting the stories when guns are used to protect against criminals.

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NRA and Self Defense

Join the NRA and the free monthly magazines you receive will have examples of Good Guys with Guns taking out Criminal Threats.

You will never hear of these examples from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or MSNBC. -GP

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The media has already decided....

which stories shall be front page news. Kind of like NBC spinning headlines and altering audio tapes to sensationalize the issue and maximize ratings.

Hearst would be so proud.

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Spinning?

Breitbart?

Merry Christmas everyone

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The gun industry and the NRA

The gun industry and the NRA has turned this into' it's just about the guns' issue. The common thread connecting the perpetrators? Mental health: the lack of treatment! It should be at least as easy to get treatment as it is to buy a gun!
Our apparent culture of solving problems through the use of violence (which I don't accept as the culture of most Americans) needs to be examined. Blaming the entertainment industry, the gun industry, etc., does not solve the problem. Those who commit these atrocities are mentally ill! We protect our legislators, banks, retail stores from criminals and the mentally ill, certainly we can protect our children! The how of this protection should not include the Second Amendment rights of citizens to delay/obstruct the conversation which may lead to improved protection of our children! Sometimes testosterone appears to get in the way of common sense. Let the conversation continue.

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Merry Christmas.

The gun industry and the NRA has turned this into a gun issue? It sure seems that many others are doing that.

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Happy kwanzaa

Kwanzaa was the result of a ’60s psychosis grafted onto the black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga’s United Slaves — the violence, the Marxism, the insanity.

Kwanzaa: Holiday brought to you by the FBI

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The 7 principles of Kwaanza

A celebration observed in the United States and Canada. It is not a religious celebration, but a cultural observance by those who are proud of their African heritage. The celebration begins on December 26. A different principle is celebrated each day.

Umoja (Unity): To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation, and race.
Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves, and speak for ourselves.
Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers' and sisters' problems our problems, and to solve them together.
Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): To build and maintain our own stores, shops, and other businesses and to profit from them together.
Nia (Purpose): To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
Kuumba (Creativity): To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
Imani (Faith): To believe with all our hearts in God, our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders, and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.

Ann Coulter and the FBI cannot define a people. The term United Slaves is derogatory. Conservatives claim that they want everyone to work hard to achieve and not depend on taxpayer funds. - yet a spokesman for the 'right' decries a cultural celebration that encourages pride, hard work, etc. As long as Ann Coulter is identified with the Republican Party, inclusiveness will not be achieved.

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Still Fictional...

... Kwanzaa is a made up "African" ritual.

But like I like to tell Atheist...Just because you believe God is fictional what is wrong with following the 10 Commandments?

So as long as you adhere to the tenets for what they are and NOT for the purpose of being separate or placed above another race.. I got no problem with it...

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African Americans are not 'made up'! We are the result of an ugly part of American history. Karenga never attributed Kwaanza to an African culture. ( there are many,many cultures on the continent of Africa). It is symbolic of Afro-centric traditions established by slaves and free Africans in our country. Thank you for not having a problem with fellow Americans celebrating their unique culture.

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DM get that chip off your shoulder...

... I NEVER said Blacks are not real.. I said Kwanzaa was fictional and it is. It was created as a non-inclusive Black only "celebration" because Christmas was too "White".

I also said as long as you celebrate it for what the "tenets" calls for and NOT as a non-inclusive fictional event.. I had no problems with it.

So DM it seems the only one here with a issue is YOU.

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Kwanzaa is a made up "African" ritual.

The above is what you said. Today, those African Americans who choose to, celebrate Kwaanza as an African American celebration - celebrating their unique African American heritage. Our heritage is Africa. Our nationality is American.
We are an integral part of American history - and we 're proud of our roots. Most of my friends who are proud of their European heritage seem, as you declare, not to have a 'problem with this. Hmmmmm. Not a chip on my shoulder, just pride in my heart. What's in your heart SL? Certainly not fear of a minority in this wonderful country of ours.

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DM you said what you said...

Everyone here can read.

If you want to "celebrate" a FICTIONAL African Holiday that was originally setup as a separatist movement. I am OK with that..

You trying to justify doing it just proves what everyone else knows about you.

It would be no different if David Duke had of "created" a Kuklanza holiday that 18% of White Americans celebrated as an actual Holiday instead of Christmas because they don't like black Santa Claus's.

I am sure you would be OK with that... right?

All that being said DM... You can live separately, celebrate separately do what you want to do as long as you don't interfere with my Rights... I'm good.

You should be to...

btw-glad you got that chip off your shoulder at your age it might give you back problems...it is always so large.

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kwanzaa

Steve, everyone with a brain realizes that 'kwanzaa' was made up as just another way to segregate blacks from whites. History shows Kwanzaa to be just one of many wedges that liberals use to create division and alienation. The tactic started with the Marxists and the struggle of the proletariat versus the bourgeoisie. Employee against employer, women against men, black against white, liberals work to isolate and alienate various groups and convince them that someone has done them wrong and that liberals can right the wrong if only we give them power over the rest of us.

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Happy New Year. There are many blacks who don't need an organization or a holiday to know they have power over you!
You spent almost 3 years on this blog trying to convince others of your superiority. Try harder in 2013!

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Same old, same old

Same old personal attacks from the resident racist. She doesn't like the facts, so all she can do is lay on the personal attacks, Alinsky style.
Hey DM, go eff yourself!

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Joe Kawfi-John Kerry's yacht

Seems at the very least, he has his tax avoidance system down pat. Good to know the soon to be leader of our highly regarded State Dept. will also be known for tax dodging around the world.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/sen_john_kerry_docks_new_...

10 to 1 Hillary has some other "non-life threatening" clot or scab or bruise or dry skin condition that will prevent her from testifying on Benghazi before Kerry gets to screw things up further.

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MLC & Kerry

Not a Kerry fan but can't blame him for using existing tax law to avoid paying taxes--I do the same where I can--don't you?

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Kerry and Ma. Dept.of Revenue

Yes, ahg, I do blame him. He represents the state he cheated paying taxes to until he was caught. What wasn't made clear, read below.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/07/28/kerry...

Kerry decided to pay up before the state would have made him pay up. Avoiding and cheating are two different things. We all avoid. Kerry cheated. I paid thru the nose and every other orifice in taxes for 2 years in that state. If I had to do it, then Mr. marryintomoney has to do it. Let him help support Obama's Auntie Zeituni, too.

Hey, did you have your black eyed peas and greens yet? Happy New Year.

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MLC & Black Eye Peas

You betcha--cooked up a big pot with smoked ham hocks this morning and had them with some cornbread cooked up by Frau Gym. Don't do collards--ate enough of those growing up in Eastern NC but never did like them. Now turnip & mustard greens are another matter! HNY to you and happy posting to the Citizen!

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Maulana Karenga created Kwanzaa in 1966 as the first specifically African-American holiday. Karenga said his goal was to "give Blacks an alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and their history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society. The name Kwanzaa derives from the Swahili phrase matunda ya kwanza, meaning first fruits of the harvest. The choice of Swahili, an East African language, reflects its status as a symbol of Pan-Africanism, especially in the 1960s, despite the fact that most East African nations were not involved in the Atlantic slave trade that brought African people to America.

Kwanzaa was a celebration that has its roots in the black nationalist movement of the 1960s, and was established as a means to help African Americans reconnect with their African cultural and historical heritage by uniting in meditation and study of African traditions and Nguzu Saba, the "seven principles of African Heritage" which Karenga said "is a communitarian African philosophy".

During the early years of Kwanzaa, Karenga said that it was meant to be an alternative to Christmas, that Jesus was psychotic, and that Christianity was a white religion which black people should shun. However, as Kwanzaa gained mainstream adherents, Karenga altered his position so that practicing Christians would not be alienated, then stating in the 1997 Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family, Community, and Culture, "Kwanzaa was not created to give people an alternative to their own religion or religious holiday."

Kwaanza was at its very begininings designed to be a communistic, "blacks only" alternative to Christmas, becasue that holiday was waaaaay too white. Doesnt sound very inclusive does it DM? It is %100 completely and arbitrarily made up and has no founding in any african culture. There is NO document, tradition, nation or artifact that Karenga can point to as the origin of his seven principles. He made it all up as a way to indoctrinate frustrated blacks into marxist principles. Only later when he realized blacks would not so easily abandon their Christian principles did he change his tune and say it wasnt an alternative, you could do both. Which means he has no principles. There is no more a single representative "pan african" culture than their is a pan asian culture. Its racist of Karenga to pretend that their is. Remember us talking about my white student who was born in africa kept putting african american on all her school forms? She was actually FROM there and all the black kids whos family hadnt been to africa for almost 200 years were told to put african american? I doubt Karenga in the '60's would have welcomed her into his little pan african culture meetings. Please stop asssuming that anytime a white person criticizes a black person it means they are automatically racist and devisive. I know you are smarter than that. Especially since in this case the person Coulter was criticizing (Karenga) is actually the on who fits that description.

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Maulana Karenga and Kwaanza

Karenga created "US" a Black Nationalist Group in 1965, in 1966, he initiated the concept of Kwaanza. In 1971, Karenga was sentenced to one to ten years in prison on counts of felonious assault and false imprisonment on two women that were suspected of "spying" on his US organization for the competitive Black Panther Party.

His wife testified against him in this trial. Here is a paraphrased quote from the testimony of one of the victims Deborah Jones taken from a LA Times article. "Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."

If interested you may find more on the roots of Kwaanza in this article written for the Dartmouth Review. Scholer, J. Lawrence (January 15, 2001). "The Story of Kwanzaa".

Personally, I like the story of Christ.

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facts are irrelevant

People who have been indoctrinated either voluntarily or involuntarily are not seeking truth. Confronting them with facts only elicits the deer in headlights stare.

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The interesting question is can anything good come from something that is rooted in evil? There are so many good examples of Black America other than Maulana Karenga and Kwaanza. Most if not all of these great Americans grew up based on the laws of Judea o Christian values. However, no question that they each used our capitalist system based on God's Natural Law and free markets.

The interesting thing about this list of Americans is how many of them started at the lowest possible rung of the socioeconomic ladder but using their own individual talent, skills and hard work were able to use the free market to excel. Some have stumbled along the way, but what's new? So many of us do. What great examples of how the capitalist system works. Not one needed a Black Nationalist group to succeed. How about that.

http://www.therichest.org/nation/wealthiest-african-americans/

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The interesting question is can anything good come from something that is rooted in evil

I think that everyone the world over agrees that slavery, wherever practiced, is evil. Slavery was part of this country's history - and we have survived to do great good. My answer to your question is YES!

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Well DM

The fact is blacks were in this country before there was slavery and they were doing great things here before slavery. Read some history for crying out loud.

It is highly likely that without slavery greater good would have happened in the black cultural experience in America. I repeat, does anything good ever come out of something evil?

Think about it a little DM and don't come back with trite canned answers that you learned in public grammar school. Nothing good came out of slavery DM. Nothing.

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PTCO.. she doesn't know there were Black Founding Fathers..

There where Black people who helped write the Founding documents.. Created great Inventions..ALL BEFORE SLAVERY. The Picture you see of Marcus De Lafayette by his horse pointing out over the Battle of Lexington you see a Black Man holding his horse.. That wasn't a SLAVE.. that was a famous American Spy James Armistead. Who many believe helped us when the war.

A Black American not a SLAVE Prince Whipple helped rowed George Washington across the Delaware and was a trusted advisor to George Washington.

Wentworth Cheswell A BLACK American the first Black American elected to Public Office... You remember Paul Revere right... He (Wentworth) was the one that went the "other" way warning that the British was coming..

Fredrick Douglass... A Black American and Historian extraordinaire first believe the 3/5ths argument in the Constitution was demeaning to Blacks...but after studying the documents and all of the letters and notes realized that the Constitution was in fact an Anti-Slavery Document.

All of these people have been written right out of history.

Why...? Well you can't control a people that have Pride in their History..

If all you think you were was the off-spring of slaves and you link a Party to the supposed resurrection of those people then you get their devotion for life.

Especially if you alter history enough to make them believe it was the "other" guys that tried to vote down Civil Right Laws etc... It was the "other" guys that blocked School House doors from Blacks.. It was the "other" guys that had members in the Klan and it was the "other" guys that are Racist.

Just like Glenn Beck... Ask ANY Black person he will tell you that Beck is a Racist... but it can't be further from the truth.

He actually exposed the truth of the Black Founding Fathers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoWGGeqdmo

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Thank you for another researched 'fact' from Glen Beck and Youtube. There are many who have been exposed to the contributions of Americans of African heritage through the history that was available to us before Glen Beck and YouTube. The current history books are improving in sharing how all groups of our citizenry have contributed.
Evidently SL has just realized that there are many in this country who are aware of history and in his attempt not to appear limited and racist, has shared some of his research. His sick twist on his revelation shows why the Republican Party is re-evaluating the presentation of their ideology. I'm grateful to have the opportunity to have this discussion with him. My grandparents were proud members of the party of Lincoln. I lived through the remarkable change of the south after the success of the Civil Rights movement - from solid Dixiecrats to Republican. That is documented history. Much of the progress in the south is due to the cooperation between blacks and whites in implementing the change from Jim Crow to equal opportunity for all American citizens throughout our country. Today there are issues which separate the south from the rest of the country. Many throughout the world note the resemblance of the separation to the division which was created during the Civil War era. Some would say the main separation is found in the ignorance of racism. This is not true, for racism/apartheid is found throughout history throughout the globe. What we see being exhibited today in modern day politics is the remnant of Lee Atwater and the so-called southern strategy. The Republican Party of today, which dominates the south, is a victim of this ignorant ideology. There are blacks, women, and other minorities who embrace the policies of the Republican Party, but cannot accept the resistance of the 'new' Republican Party to embrace all Americans without a denigrating tone. I know that there are many who disagree with my perception of the current Republican Party, but I am not in the minority with this perception. So SL, I look forward to enlightening others with another view of African American culture other than shared by Glen Beck and YouTube.

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Wow.. So DM a White Guy can't have a perspective...

...on Black History. Funny how when he first aired this info many so called black "Leaders" called him a liar and the average "man" on the street didn't know a single fact about any of these notable Black Americans..

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss "others" knowledge of your History much of which I would bet you being Guberment edumacated didn't know either.

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Your attempt at being socially liberal is pathetic and insulting !

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The fact is blacks were in this country before there was slavery and they were doing great things here before slavery. Read some history for crying out loud.

Really? Then why the institution of apartheid (slavery) in this country? The first man to die in the American Revolution was Crispus Attucks - free Black man. If you and your people thought we were so great - why the apartheid and Jim Crow? Your twisted slant on American history to prevent unnecessary guilt feelings is pathetic. Grow up! If American history was taught correctly and included all of the contributions of our diverse citizenry, your feeble attempt at inclusivity would not be necessary.

Since the inclusion of the heritage of Africans and African Americans was left out of early history books, one might want to take a look at : Africana -The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience

It's in the library.

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If you and your people thought we were so great - why the apartheid and Jim Crow? Your twisted slant on American history to prevent unnecessary guilt feelings is pathetic.

PTCO - you should feel guilty for slavery, just because you are white!! It's all your fault! You are directly responsible for things that happened several hundred years ago!!! (You and "your people", because we ara segregated nation, after all) Got it?

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To prevent unnecessary guilt feelings.

You included that in my quote , but I guess you didn't understand what it meant. Those who abhor slavery today should not harbor guilt feelings for past history. Those who feel it necessary to denigrate others are insecure. PTCO is not guilty for past evil, but woefully misinformed about the current culture of some of her fellow Americans. Millionaires of color are not the only community members that African Americans are proud of.

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Those who feel it necessary to denigrate others are insecure.

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I'm retired -are you? I would never have had this much time while working to engage with someone of your caliber. From the Pot to the Kettle! :-)

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I work for a living. Some of us don't work M-F, 9-5, but have rotating days off with rotating shifts. Do you have a problem with that, or are you just following the Alinsky model of attacking the messenger when you lose the argument?

Some of us have to work - The obama-bot moochers couldn't survive without the democrat redistribution policies.

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You ask if any good can come from evil. I can see the ancient Greek philosophers debating that question. For instance the first thing that came to mind was the "trail of tears". Would you judge that outcome good or bad?

Creating a separate cultural identity based on a fictional connection with east Africa will do nothing but alienate.

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Creating a separate cultural identity based on a fictional connection with east Africa will do nothing but alienate.

Fictional??? Please tell me where my ancestors came from - if not Africa? The African culture developed in these United States is composed of the many different cultures in Africa. It is distinctly African American. Most African Americans do not know their cultural traditions because of the practice in slavery of separating 'blacks' who were from the same region. When I identified myself as African American while in Africa, I was asked what 'tribe'. In Africa, I am an American. I am proud of my roots / and my nationality. . . . and through research and DNA, I am learning about my roots. Why do some feel it necessary to denigrate my background? Interesting.

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To that you can add the Volkswagen and autobahns under Hitler and many more examples, but the question remains for those like DM to answer for themselves.

All we can say is that history has taught us that nothing good comes from evil. Evil only has its illusions of benefit and most evil illusions are delivered through political organizations lusting for power and money.......always to the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.

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It is 2013! Today, many African Americans celebrate Kwaanza in the same way the many Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day. ( to experience joy and unity with the community - not to separate but to celebrate). In the 60's many white and black students were not convinced of the 'rightness' of non-violence. It is different today! Those insecure individuals, both black and white who still fear difference, will hold on to the ignorance and fear of yesterday. Ron Davis Karenga, who was a young man in the sixties, has grown up. Hopefully we all have experienced some growth

Your ignorance is not astounding, but sad. There were white students in the Pan- African movement at UCLA . (I was there - where were you?). Fear and hate are destructive. I know how difficult it is to remove hate and fear from one's heart. Hate did not unite the black community. The effort is still being implemented to unite humans on this planet through non-violence.
When will we learn to 'do unto others'? I don't understand those who refuse to give credit to a community that is trying to do what conservatives preach - improve your own community through adherence to respect for self and all mankind.

Happy New Year!

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Pan-African Movement

Pan-African movement, Movement dedicated to establishing independence for African nations and cultivating unity among black people throughout the world. It originated in conferences held in London (1900, 1919, 1921, 1923) and other cities. W.E.B. Du Bois was a principal early leader. The important sixth Pan-African conference (Manchester, 1945) included Jomo Kenyatta and Kwame Nkrumah. The first truly intergovernmental conference was held in Accra, Ghana, in 1958, where Patrice Lumumba was a key speaker. The Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) was founded by Robert M. Sobukwe and others in South Africa in 1959 as a political alternative to the African National Congress, which was seen as contaminated by non-African influences. The founding of the Organization of African Unity (OAU; now the African Union) by Julius Nyerere and others in 1963 was a milestone, and the OAU soon became the most important Pan-Africanist organization.

It is noted that Communists were leading the ending of apartheid in countries and not the US until later. Our separate but equal was considered apartheid by the rest of the world. We have experienced great growth as a country. For this, I am grateful and joyous!

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Newspaper sparks outrage...

for publishing names, addresses of gun owners..

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map/index.html

Gee, I wonder what side of the debate this newspaper's editorial team is on.

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Journalism

At its worse! Owning a legal weapon is a contract between the owner and the government. What right does the media have to invade that privacy? And if they have the right - is it in the interest of the homeowner to publish it? How will this protect our children in public places? Using politics and sensationalism is getting in the way of finding solutions to a very serious problem! Can we return to the conversation of protecting law abiding citizens from deranged humans?

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Davids mom... What right?

It's four simple letters...FOIA. The Freedom of Information Act. And yet another little twist and turn.

IMHO, there will be no conversation for those in which their endgame is disarm law abiding citizens. They vainly try to point out that Australia or Great Britain has solved all their problems with gun bans.

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IMHO, there will be no conversation for those in which their endgame is disarm law abiding citizens

Dismantling the Second Amendment will not curb the use of firearms by the mentally deranged, IMHO. I feel there are more citizens and parents in our country who can bring some understanding and common sense to the conversation. Action needs to be taken now - and using tragedy and sensationalism to ban ALL guns in our country is a waste of time! The extreme sides of the issue - ban all guns/ do nothing are unacceptable.

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IMHO, there will be no conversation for those in which their endgame is disarm law abiding citizens. They vainly try to point out that Australia or Great Britain has solved all their problems with gun bans.

I know people in Australia. They don't agree that the gun ban has solved all of their problems. You see there never was a constitutional right to own guns there and gun ownership has always been low. In fact less than 10% of the population ever owned guns. Also the gun ban was only on certain types of guns. Primarily semi auto and pump action. Still lets look at the effect of the gun ban on crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

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Historically, Australia has had relatively low levels of violent crime. Overall levels of homicide and suicide have remained relatively static for several decades, while the proportion of these crimes that involved firearms has consistently declined since the early 1980s. Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm-related deaths in Australia declined 47%. This being said, all other violent crime indices rose.Because of this, between the years 1995 and 2007, "Australia's (total) violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent."

Gun crimes, which were low to start with, have dropped it seems. But overall crime is up! Knives are mostly used to commit violent crimes there now.

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Yes, lion, it's sad...

...for this community; did you see what happened there last year? ---

Last Dec. 7, authorities say, a 15-year-old boy doused his home with gasoline and set it ablaze, killing his father and two brothers, 16 and 12. His mother and 13-year-old sister escaped with injuries. He is being prosecuted as an adult.

Obviously we need to restrict how much gasoline one can purchase and keep on their property...

As driven into the ground as it has been of late, it's more about the troubled being identified and treated, as well as the violent nature of many parts of our society, the destruction of organized religion, and the degradation of our moral values in general, than it is about guns.

I'll bet when the investigation is concluded the gun(s) involved in this were probably perfectly legal weapons, used improperly.

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maybe the influx in "Bears" and public housing

"2012 UK Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed."

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be honest

A private citizen who owns a gun for "protection" owns a gun to shoot people. A private citizen who carries a gun does not want to miss an opportunity to shoot people. It is what it is.

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