PTC Council to Coweta businesses: ‘Don’t use city’s name’

Official letter warns Fischer Crossings businesses in Coweta not to identify themselves as located in PTC

The Peachtree City Council is upset that two new businesses across Line Creek and inside Coweta County are marketing themselves with “Peachtree City” in their names.

And the developer of the Fischer Crossings is politely accusing city officials of a double standard with their own airport name, contending Peachtree City could have had the same development inside its city limits subject to city taxes had the council been more receptive to large retailers.

Mayor Don Haddix uses phrases like “fraudulently convincing,” “false representation” and “damages” in describing the emerging Fischer Crossings commercial development just inside Coweta County on Ga. Highway 54 in the official Nov. 23 letter to developer Scott Seymour.

Signed by Haddix and endorsed by others on the City Council, the letter said Sam’s Club and NCG Cinemas inappropriately reference Peachtree City in their statements describing their geographical proximity to the city.

The new entrance to the cinema being prepared now is four-tenths of a mile from the county line bordered by Peachtree City. The Sam’s Club store, located down the street at Ga. Highway 34 and Fischer Road is seven-tenths of a mile from Fayette County and Peachtree City.

Developer Seymour responded to the letter, questioning the city’s rationale in the matter.

The Nov. 23 letter to Seymour stated, “We are writing to ask for your help as both a Peachtree City resident and as the owner and developer of the center. As you know, the City of Peachtree City receives a significant portion of our operating revenue from the shared Local Option Sales Taxes generated in Fayette County, and we receive supplemental taxes from businesses in the city limits.

“While the Fischer Crossings will certainly serve our residents, the tenants will generate taxes for Coweta County, rather than Fayette County or Peachtree City. Due to Fischer Crossings’ location on our immediate western border, the active promotion of the center and its tenants as being in Peachtree City is a false representation with the specific intent of fraudulently convincing our residents that they are supporting the local business community and local economy. This false representation will result in damages to the City of Peachtree City,” the official city letter said.

The letter proceeded to note that while the city recognized that successful businesses and shopping centers reflect well upon and serve an entire region and that Peachtree City residents will be among the development’s patrons, Haddix and others on the council maintained that “deceptively advertising the establishment as part of Peachtree City does not give residents the opportunity to make an informed choice on the expenditure of their tax dollars.”

Contacted about the letter, city Public Information Officer Betsy Tyler said that while Haddix signed the letter there were others on the council that agreed with its statements and wanted the issues addressed.

The letter also requested that Fischer Crossing and its future tenants not use the city’s name in any signage and that directional signage or ads be limited to descriptions such as “near Peachtree City,” “through Peachtree City” or “just outside Peachtree City.”

The claims of “fraudulently convincing residents” and “deceptive advertising” and “false representation” stems from the use of Peachtree City’s name in flyers and on the website of NCG Cinemas and from a Sam’s Club communication with The Citizen more than six months ago when the retailer referenced its “Peachtree City store.” Both NCG Cinemas and Sam’s Club were sent letters similar to the one received by Seymour.

Asked about the letter, Seymour had a number of comments that questioned the rationale that generated it.

“I am not sure what he is talking about. My website is www.fischercrossings-ga.com and refers to the site as ‘Sharpsburg’ not Peachtree City,” Seymour said. “None of my signs indicate the site is in Peachtree City. But I do imagine that most people will call the development Peachtree City because of the close proximity to the city limit. I do not believe that our shopping center will directly compete with any of the Peachtree City stores.”

Seymour also called into question yet another aspect that potentially accompanied the letter. It is one that has linkage to the attempt of Kohl’s (which has signed a letter of intent to open a store at Fischer Crossings) and other retailers, including a theater, to establish a presence in Peachtree City in the now defunct Capital City Development site along Hwy. 54 West. The site would have been approximately 1.5 miles from Fischer Crossings.

“Basically, Peachtree City helped create Fischer Crossings,” Seymour said. “Peachtree City has set their ordinances in such a way that a Sam’s, theaters, Kohl’s or any other large store can not come to the city because of their square footage maximum building sizes. All these stores would have liked to be in Peachtree City but Peachtree City did not want any of them.”

”Early in the game we tried to include Peachtree City in the Fischer Crossings development,” Seymour told The Citizen. “We offered to buy sewer from the city and they declined. I am sure that good portion of the employees from this development will live in Peachtree City. And that’s beneficial for the city. Retail markets have a lot of synergy. I believe the Fischer Crossings and Peachtree City shopping areas will compliment each other.”

Finally, Seymour questioned the marketing aspects reference by the city, noting that Peachtree City, too, had used essentially the same marketing technique as it claims is being used deceptively by NCG and Sam’s Club.

“This is similar to the Peachtree City Airport [Falcon Field] being called the Atlanta Regional Airport even though it’s not in Atlanta. But I did not name my center Peachtree City Crossings,” said Seymour.

NCG Cinemas Vice President of Corporate Development Jeff Geiger told The Citizen that the reference to Peachtree City on the company’s website and in a flyer advertising the 50 jobs that would be available at the theater was meant to be a convenience for patrons and potential employees to know that the new cinema was in close proximity to the city. Geiger added that NCG uses no signage referencing Peachtree City. Geiger also said that NCG will remove all uses of NCG Peachtree City Cinemas and will advertise the theaters as being one mile from Peachtree City.

“We hope this eliminates anyone’s concerns,” Geiger said. “Our end goal is to provide all our customers with something they’ll be proud of.”

Answers to questions posed to Sam’s Club on the matter were not received by press time.

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Looks like the arrogance that permeates PTC ...

... has caught up to them. Developers and businesses have bypassed you and your community has morphed in to everything the vast majority of inhabitants have attempted to avoid.

Here is a glimpse of reality:

You can draw a line between the two PTCities. The problem is, the cart path connects them for everyone and anyone. The "good side" is being swallowed by Tyrone and the good people of Fulton County via I85 and 74. (Just wait till you get MARTA.)

Your cart paths are used most frequently by young teens and thugs in training to trade in sex, weed, and stolen liqueur or to get to and fro late night parties and to get 'connected' at the local convenience store.

Robberies, burglaries and break-ins are now a frequent occurrence in PTC.

Nearly all of those 1300 sq.ft. houses (SW side) are now rental property for a family (or multiple families) of transient renters that will usually stop paying rent after about 90 days.

Harmony/Concord/Metropolitan/Techwood or whatever you want to call it is just ONE of several sources now of Section 8 patrons who don't give a rats behind about your rules, laws, covenants, or fences that drive past your house on your pathways and move without restriction while you are at work.

I could continue but the reality is PTC is clearly beyond it's hay day and all of the denial in the world won't change that.

The novelty of cart pathways has been adopted by hundreds of newer communities and despite your hearts desire you must now abandon your segregationist, arrogant, multicultural embracing facade and either move or begin to enjoy the true south by opening your arrogant little community to businesses and people that you have tried so hard to avoid.

Welcome to the REAL south.

I for one think it is funny. You all come back now, ya here?

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News Flash - Sam's Club Doesn't Compete with any PTC Stores!!!

Developer Seymour says in the article he doesn’t believe the stores at Fischer Crossing will directly compete with any Peachtree City stores. Need anyone believe anything more this gent has to say ... ever!

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Sam's Club-Just To

remind everyone who's (they think) in charge, they have the audacity to sell golf cart tires and batteries and brand new stinkin' golf carts. Course, you gotta put 'em on/in yourself and truck everything back to PTC.

Now, how about they pony up a couple hundred thousand from all these forty dollar memberships and pay for the new cart path from there to the county line? Hey Sam, are you listening here???

(P.S.) Wolfgang Puck is now hanging on my wall in a nice 8 x 10 frame with my name and his signature on his pretty face. BTW, he's alot better looking in person than on TV and in his photo.

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So why cant they sell golf carts moelarrycurly

I went by there today. Almost all the cars in the huge lot were fayette. It is just like when everyone here bitched about walmart building. All those bitchers now shop there. Now back to the audacity to sell golf cart stuff. There is a golf cart sales out on hwy 54 by tyrone rd behind Hesters. You got a problem with them selling golf carts. Gee they dont have a cart path out there. Imagine that. Oh and wolfgang sucks.

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not so normal for some

maybe a weekend in the sun would improve some moods on here. Like, maybe in South America somewhere. Have a great weekend, you sweet thang.

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"Don't use City's name"

Of all of the stupid things that have come out of the PTC Council (and there are MANY), this takes the cake! They don't seem to have a problem with Atlanta news stations referring to Starr's Mill as being in PTC when it is in Fayetteville (should they say next to PTC?). What about all of the stores in Peachtree East that have a PTC address but are actually outside the city limits? (The postal service gives them their mailing address). What about the Peachtree City Church of God in Coweta that has been there for a really long time? If the council is concerned about loss of taxes then they may need to set up a toll booth at the city limits to collect from all of the people who leave PTC and Fayette county to shop elsewhere! Honestly, don't they have something really important to worry about? If not, I suggest we don't need them!

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well... on the way home, I

well... on the way home, I stopped by the Peachtree City Bread company in the Avenue for some soup... mmmm ... damn that was good. I was taking a class at Peachtree City State, Peachtree City campus and got a litte hungry. My wife was taking a class at Peachtree City Christian College.

jesus our council is retarded...

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plans

rather mis-leading. When the developent first started a few years back, I mentioned the referance to PTC on Haddix's website by asking him if we we're annexing that area. Fischer Crossing DID use the name "Peachtree City" on their original website when they were recruiting the sams and movie theaters of the world...FYI

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If you'd only listened to Harold...

The world moves on...whether Haddix and the PTC council like it or not. What did you people think would happen when you turned your back on any development? That it would just go away, and PTC would be like it was in 1985?

No, if there is economic demand, and there is, businesses find a way to meet that demand...ergo, Fischer Crossings.

Don't whine like little babies that your town is going to lose tax dollars, when you - the PTC council - could have prevented that loss by working with developers (what a horrible thing - working with developers???) to meet this economic demand with controlled development inside PTC.

Now, you've got the development, the traffic -- and no money. This is exactly what Harold Logsdon worked to avoid. He wasn't selling PTC out, he was trying to get a slice of what he knew would come, regardless of what PTC did.

Oh, and by the way, send me a letter too, Mr. Mayor. I live a couple of miles from the city limits, in Coweta (just paid my tax bill - 50 percent of what it would be in PTC) and I tell people all the time I live in Peachtree City. No one's ever heard of Sharpsburg...

See all of you soon at the movies...all of Cowetans will be happy to share our new, tax generating theater (and our new, tax generating Sam's) any time you want to make the short drive on over.

If you ask us nice, we might even build a golf cart path...

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I'm for the cart path myself..

And have been since this development was announced.

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Those stores at Fisher's Crossing have hired a service company to deliver anything anybody wants twice a day as ordered!
It will all be on a web site.

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Good thing Haddix isn't President

He'd sue the Department of Defense for claiming that the Pentagon is in Washington DC. What a fool!

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WOW !!!

I see the next letter issued already......

Dear Mayor Kasim Reed,

I ask that the City of Atlanta not use the name Peachtree in the street names in your city, because it may cause confusion with people looking for Peachtree City.

Sincerely

Don and the Gang

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PTC, go for the next opportunity. Fisher Crossings is past tense

Mayor Haddix, and whoever was involved in writing the letter, needs to receive competent consultation before taking such action.

It is too late to complain about the Fisher Crossings area. We must move on and try to land the next retailer who would like to land in PTC.

Why do we care how big a store is, as long as the space is rented? The larger retailers bring in the customers, which in turn allow smaller establishments to prosper as well.

To entice development you have to have a “can do” attitude. Presently PTC has a “cannot do” attitude.

City Council, we need to change the attitude of everyone at City Hall. We need to communicate clearly that we have high standards, but that we welcome quality development.

Get over Fisher Crossings, and show us what you can do.

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This is funny. I thought

This is funny. I thought Peachtree City would like the idea of that center being referred to as theirs. I guess not. Anyway, Fayette county still has much tax revenue coming from Coweta,Clayton and Fulton county residents. Some are just making too big a deal over all of this.

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Just Put Up a Big Sign

on the PTC side of Line Creek that says 'Warning!!! You Are Now Leaving the PTC/Fayette County Sales Tax Zone!!! Traitors Will Be Shot Upon Return and Their Heads Placed on Pikes at the Avenue!!!

Also, the PTC council could fight back by renaming Wilshire Pavilion 'Senoia Wilshire Pavilion'.

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What is a "Wilshire Pavilion?" Is that a Chinese shopping center somewhere?

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Courthouse Still Homebound!!

Court, Wilshare Pavilion is that shopping center at the south end of 74 near the intersection of 74 and Rockaway Road, the gateway to Senoia.

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I'm sorry, I thought that whole area down there was being named "Little" Bejing--what with the factories and homes within the compound---maybe their own restaurants and clothing stores also?
They would never use a name like Wilshire! Can't say "ls" or 'rs'

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Courthouse Rules Enlighten Me

I don't know about the compound. Tell me(us) about that. As you might can tell from my screen name, I am comfortable around Asian languages and speakers thereof.

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Now you've gone and let the proverbial cat out of the bag. CHR$ will now and forever credit you with the establishment of Peachtree City's very own Chinatown.

Having spent some years in the Orient, I would look forward to an uptick in our ethnic restaurants.

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Yeah, me too Mike. Spent a couple of months once in Japan and Republic of China.

Can't drink the water but the beer is OK. Takes 3-4 times to negotiate any business deal, even though they say yes, yes at every turn---not so they just don't do negative to one's face.

They will rent out the restaurants when they want to eat there as a group.

Hey, these guys built a lot of our railroads (labor wise), just as Mexicans mow a lot of grass and roof houses!
I guess that was a few generations ago for the railroads.

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It is possible that some details have changed since they agreed to build there, so I'll let the city tell you about those.

Originally they were to be allowed to build residences inside a fenced and gated compound where the factory is located! Violates all zoning normally.

Maybe you already know the details?

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Compounds In South PTC?

No, didn't know about the compounds on 74. I know the Americans wall themselves in other places, like the Middle East. You talking about Sany, the Chinese construction equipment company, right? Didn't know the Chinese were so fearful of living amongst us USians. Perhaps its just Georgians, with all them Mike Kings and Georgia Patriots running loose and all...

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If you know about the compound, tell us the details, otherwise we will have to ask the Mayor!

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Mr. Mayor Haddix

Please tell us if the Chinese at Sany company plan to have a gated buisness with living quarters inside?

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Haddix: Sany

The gate and quarters for a significant number of transitional Chinese employees was part of the plan approved under Logson.

But, when some delays and changes came about this year when DAPC and I met with Sany officials we told them we wanted the employees to live in PTC and we wanted to maximize use of local citizens to fill the jobs. They agreed.

So that aspect of the plan has changed.

But security gating is a different issue. Panasonic, in example, is gated.

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Want to bet?

There will be living quarters in the compound---now just camoed!
A Private club with Jacka Danniells, also.
I don't know what maximizing means!

The Seventh Day Adventists' and Mormons' will find a way in!! Jehovahs' are already there! Band discount booklets don't have a chance. Roofers are out of it. Mexican Pine straw vendors will never get in.

Could we do this around PTC, you think?

Will they get a Rotary Phone book? How does the Postman get in?
Will delivery companies all have a key. or will the guard get secret clearance for them?

I guess going in to ask for a job is out!

I know we owe them money, but/........

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Are you saying that currently no living quarters will be on the SANY site?

Are you saying that you were not on council when this was approved?

I know you had a pretty rough November, and that December has not started well for you. So please dispense with spins or half truths, else you will win the WTB Award by a large margin.

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Court, I don't know anything the compound

No, I don't know anything about the compound. First I heard of it is from you.

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Maybe Gulags for Fischer Crossings Shoppers

Or, it could be a secret deal between Haddix and company to house all those captured turncoat Fisher Crossings shoppers. Stick them in the Sany compound until they turn away from the sin of spending paychecks across county lines. For the real hard cases, ship em off to China in containers where they will be re-educated in the glories of shopping locally.

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Uh, Betsy, did you say others - with an s at the end?

That means more than just one other councilperson (read Doug) supported the Haddix letter.
"Betsy Tyler said that while Haddix signed the letter there were others on the council that agreed with its statements and wanted the issues addressed" - right? So who is it? Freedom of information request - just tell us so we can focus the embarassing aftermath and publicity upon the 2 or 3 guilty parties instead of having the whole city look stupid.

Who else, Betsy?

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Betsy, Betsy, Betsy. Need an answer here

Who else on council supported the Haddix letter? We want to know.

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PTC Council: This is pathetic

Just grow up already. Acting like spoiled brats and embarrassing yourselves and the residents isn't what you were elected to do. Try maturity and some leadership or quit and let someone with an IQ above a rock do the job.

No company is going to want to locate in a city "run" by people with this kind of childish attitude, no matter what else PTC has to offer them.

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sittin in a tree

This one will get us on National News. I hope their faces are posted all over so everyone can identify these DD a's, what a laughing stock.

Build another golf course. Add another bottle store. Idiots!

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Darko, Starkdumb & The Three Ladies = A Joke

Someone please tell me this is a joke! Our Mayor and City Council didn't REALLY sign off on this did they? They did? Oh, wow! Surely Ted Meeker didn't REALLY authorize any such letter. He did? Oh, wow!

There is nothing illegal, fraudulent, deceptive or whatever else Darko, Starkdumb and the Three Ladies on Council are claiming with these stores referring to PTC. They can call themselves whatever the hell they want to. No law against that.

And you had to laugh at Darko's contention that by referring to PTC, it "does not give residents the opportunity to make an informed choice on the expenditure of their tax dollars.” Oh, Donnie....ever notice that Coweta County sign down by Wynn's Pond on Hwy 54 West? Don't you think everyone knows when they go past that sign, they know they are in Coweta County?

Seymour makes a good point too about Falcon Field and its reference to Atlanta Regional Airport. Kinda hypocritcal aren't we ladies?

This idiotic letter is nothing more than Darko, Starkdumb and The Three Ladies covering their you-know-whats after looking like fools and just now realizing the blood bath PTC is about to take with its sales tax revenues.

Such small headed men and women....

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Coweta "wanna be"... Get a life.... and your own idea.

Peachtree City and our mayor are totally correct. Fischer Crossroads needs to own up to the fact that they ARE NOT in PTC. Nor did we ever want them... (and I actually know).

So let's move on. Coweta is growing by leaps and bounds... and I would say that "planning" for some of it is an afterthought. I have lived in PTC 14 years... It is not the city I moved to originally.. And given a second chance, likely would not in the hindsight of the poor implementation of BIG BOX here.

For every "smart mouth" response to this article.. I want that same smartmouth to SHOW ME THE GREENBELT along 54 west corridor??? NOT is the answer. Yes this does go back several councils and administrations, but the wound opened by Home Depot and Walmart continues to fester.

Go look at Peachtree Crossings, Kedron, and Braelinn to get a reminder of what a greenbelt shield is supposed to look like.

I would welcome intelligent responses.

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Ptctrader and His Greenbelts

Greenbelts or lower taxes? Personally I'd trade a greenbelt or two for lower taxes. And, sorry dude, good or bad, no city is the city it was 14 years ago. It has either grown or died. Get off the interstates and take a ride throught the backroads of Georgia and see how many towns have died or are on life support. It might shock you. Two things in common you will see in all of these towns....the local plant shut down and there has been no retail growth. And again, good or bad, whether you like it or not, Trader, towns that do have the Walmarts, Kmarts, etc are doing pretty good. Times like these, people are looking for the best deal they can find. And good or bad, it's gonna be found at a Sam's Club, Costco, BJ's, Walmart, KMart, Target, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. So all of this silly "shop local" tripe put out by David Connor, Betsy Tyler and you is just fantasy land BS. Hey, put a Sam's Club here in PTC if you want folks to shop local. I bet they would be willing to even put in a greenbelt just for you guys!

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What greenbelts?

The only thing I notice are some old nasty scrub pines that cover nothing for 40 feet up!

Where there are a few "woods" it is so steep or swampy--no good use can come of it.

I remember that there were woods here once----Braelin was covered with them. The bulldozed them out, and then said oh, sorry, we will put some crummy shrubs and bushes in, OK. OK.
The old pines are so nasty that most people by now have whacked them out of their lawns. They fall on you also due to droughts here. No roots, lot of rain, some wind--down they go. I had several do that.
The timber people whacked out the good hardwoods many years ago.
Never replanted one big tree or hardwood.
But of course regulations are bad and are violated anyway if not patrolled.

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Trader

Would you consider the east side of Line Creek as sufficient buffer? It's certainly as wide as the buffer to the south, north, and east.

Now granted that's on the city boundary, but the property along 54 is predominantly privately owned, would you consider Don & Council to begin condemnation proceedings so that the city could confiscate property under eminent domain?

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Want to bet how many of those woods will be left after the developers get through with it?

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Big boxes...

Wake up City Council.
Guess what! Retailers will locate as close as possible to the demographics that will produce the most profit.

Retailers would prefer to be in the heart of PTC. We are upset with all of the empty commercial space we have, while a developer chooses to go right next door, and build new.

Let me repeat- Retailers prefer to be in the heart of PTC.

It is the mentality of the PTC Govt. (including long before this regime) that has caused commercial development to seek profits elsewhere.

Until PTC Govt. & residents recognize that Commercial and Industrial Development are beneficial to a City's infrastructure, we will have empty stores, empty factories, and empty warehouses. Add to it, higher taxes.

We need to promote Peachtree City as being the best place to live, work and play. Unfortunately, not the best for shopping.

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What would building more

What would building more retail centers do about the empty space? I agree with you that retailers want to be in PTC, BUT, they don't want to use existing buildings. They want to build a brand new places ontop of others half empty buildings.

Ill also agree that if you don't expand you turn into what Senoia you're to be, stagnant and unimpressive. But PTC is unique. Overbuild and it turns into any other city in metro Atlanta. Then where is the draw for the real tax base, residents? Why would someone choose PTC over Newnan or someplace in Fulton or Gwinnett. Or, even though they're our neighbors, Fayetteville or Tyrone.

If every place looks the same, then it is the same.

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Am I the only one a little embarrassed by this?

It makes Peachtree City and Haddix seem really petty and like sore losers. Of course, I live 1/2 mile outside of the Peachtree City limits in unincorporated Fayette County, so at least I know I may be getting a cease and desist letter for sometimes saying I live in Peachtree City. If Peachtree City keeps acting like this, though, it won't be an issue. I won't want to claim it. By the way, I am very excited about Fischer Crossing and plan on spending a lot of money there. Why did Haddix ever think Peachtree City residents wouldn't shop there? The City was short-sighted in not realizing we would get the same traffic with none of the tax revenue.

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Fischers Crossings

It's not going to matter if they say Peachtree City or not. Most PTC and Fayette County Residents are going to shop there anyway because it will cost them less money to drive to Fischers Crossing than to go to FVille, Newnan etc... It made no economic sense what-so-ever not to allow these retailers into PTC. As stated, all of the tax dollars and jobs will go to Coweta Cty/Sharpsburg, with IMHO most of the revenue coming from PTC residents. In the words of Fred Sanford "You Big Dummy"

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Just where exactly would

Just where exactly would another massive shopping center, a 12 screen theater and a Sam's club fit in PTC? 74 north? Nope, no room. would have to be built over existing houses or be in Tyrone . 74 south? Maybe. But the railroad tracks would give any shopping center a nice long driveway from PTC into Coweta county anyway.

Now, if someone were to bulldoze whats left of Panasonic that would make room. Beyond that good luck finding room to building more half empty super duper shopping centers in the city.

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Insayn: another shopping center?

I have said before that possibly a large Hotel would eventually be built where the Library and Town Hall are. Right on the lake. You know the City would love a new, modern place of business, with a new PD. Libraries are a dime a dozen!

But, it is possible that a Mall developer might pay more for it than a Hotel.
We already know that these town churches would sell for a few million,(recall the Lutherans) so I would expect that those churches on the west side of town hall would cooperate and sell for use as a a parking lot!

All of that area near Glenloch recreation center could be bought, bulldozed, and a Dolly Parton could be built in there! All the way to the old stables, what is now a soccer field.

There are other places, also. Imagination of the future is short around here!

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I've said it before..the Movie Theater

could have been fairly easily worked in on existing property. The Sams Club, not so much.

I do have a problem with the letter my Council wrote, it seems petty to me. It makes them come off sounding just like they are, anti most everything.

Haddix screams no big boxes, but if you ask him if he shops at said Big Boxes in PTC, he goes silent.

This discussion wouldn't even be going on right now, if not for the silly letter our Mayor/Council wrote.

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Silly letter? Absolutely.

But I still think that the mayor has the cities best interest in mind about the box stores. Just look at the 15 miles of GA 85 from Fayettevile to I-75. 15 miles of empty shoping center after empty shopping center with a Walmart or two and a fistfull of grocery stores in the middle. Look at the old Fayetteville Walmart shopping center in the middle of the city and the shopping areas around it. Empty.

Look around the rest of Atlanta. Same thing from Newnan to Snellville.

Do any of us really want stripmalls (muchless empty ones) from Newnan to Jonesboro? I don't.

I like PTC. I like not seeing the industrial Parks from the road. I like not seeing electric blue signs 24/7 on huge open parking lots with one twig in a parking island for decoration. I like not seeing billboards advertising jock itch cream or some ambulance chaser attorney as I go on my way. I'd like it to stay that way for 20 more years.

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I'm saying..

We mainly agree...I do have a problem with the Mayor's attitude.

I find it hard to compare our City to others, mainly because you cannot. I like it here too, obviously, I chose to move here 7 years ago, something I should have done when I came home from College 25 years ago. I've been coming here that long for various things. It is unique.

I've admitted the Sams Club would have been almost impossible, not so much on the movie theater. It's not that big of a building, and most folks here would have loved it in town. A golf cart ride to the theater on a nice evening, count me in.

My problem with the Mayor is he comes across as mainly anti-development. Well that, and he persists in trying to give folks a reason to poke fun at our Council.

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Dangerous that you don't realize your error until it's too

late. Now my water bill is going to double because of the city's lack of revenue. I'd rather have the Sams. You can't have it both ways. You want to make it impossible for us to have shopping areas like Sam's here yet you complain when you wake up and realize you're not getting the taxes. ??? Idiots.

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Really??

Haddix, you are an idiot. Can't wait till the residents of PTC vote you out of there.

Give 'em hell Seymour

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Scott Seymour for Mayor

Now that Haddix has outed you as a resident of Peachtree City (which shows your good judgement) and that your response to the silly Haddix letter shows more common sense and historical perspective than anything Haddix (or Doug) has ever shown us, I want you to run for mayor next time. I know you are an evil developer according to our other foolish ex-mayor Brown the Younger, but you know how to run a business and you are building something in the middle of a recession which means you know something about financing and managing money. We can use you. Even if you don't run, please accept our apologies for this silly immature letter from our temporary mayor. Most of us in Peachtree City are not petty or stupid and we will be shopping there.

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Hear, hear!

I am guilty of being one of those who would have preferred no big boxes when I made PTC my home 20 years ago. However, I am wiser now and recognize the changing times that wait for no one. Development is not evil, but must be well-planned. Timing is critical; instead of saying "woulda, shoulda, coulda," we should be striving to stay steps ahead of competing municipalities and working to become again the model PTC once was - locally, regionally, and nationally!

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What's the big deal? Wasn't it about a year ago that you said no one from Peachtree City would shop there? Was it not your influence that denied WASA from providing water/sewage service? Now you go and sign a letter admonishing the development for building less than a half mile from the city limits while providing our neighboring county with all the tax benefits.

Are you sure you have the backing of anyone on Council besides Doug?

For anyone to follow your lead in future endeavors will only be out of idle curiosity.

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Our little piece of "God's Little Acre"

Recently I saw something that reminded me of the PTC squabbles over who should live here and who should be allowed to locate a business here, and what kind.

Now, when we die according to some religions we will either wait until judgment day to be judged as to whether we go to hell or whether we will go on to heaven. Some say we go straight to hell or heaven upon death, but I don't know where hell or heaven is located, so I expect our soul gets the rewards or the punishment. I doubt it requires much storage space.

Beyond that, it now appears that we have suddenly found our research in error by the egg heads, and that we now know of at least three times as many stars in the universe as was thought before.

There are now a Septillion suns known. (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
They are 10 Billion years of age.
We are one Galaxy, but there are 200 Billion more.

Now, I don't dispute that number, but it seems to me that if we missed 300% of them before--once we got telescopes and radioscopes, that maybe we will find a way to "SEE" three times that many more eventually!

Seems somewhat ignorant for us to bitch around about trivial matters doesn't it?

I wouldn't be surprised though that if we don't start a lifeboat to one of those places and a way to sleep there, we will be sorry someday!

There are what, 9 billion of us now, where would we put 50 Billion someday?
Or, will we blow each other up or start a plague from pollution?
Is God just on one of those?

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You want some Fiddle Faddle?

it's good.

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Yeah, it's good to just eat some sticky popcorn once in awhile and watch a reality show! You won't need any fiddle faddle on the way "there."

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Reminds me of Vinings...

and how it has grown over the years. :)

I really have a hard time my PTC Council did this. Seriously, is it a JOKE?

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Vinings indeed, spyglass. Good analogy

The growth of Vinings over the years via outsiders coopting their name was pretty funny. Half of Smyrna is now called Vinings something or another. But, did Vinings complain? No, they were smart enough to know that Wieland and all the others that used the Vinings name helped Vinings and was a huge compliment.

So just when Peachtree City could take the high road, our mayor writes this stupid letter. How embarrasing. I do think the WTB (Worse than Brown) award is close to being presented. I would really like to know who else on council (besides handmaiden Doug) supported this letter. Let's get an apology or a retraction out of all of them and a 6-month moratorium on letter-writing at the next council meeting. How about it Kim, surely you didn't approve this. Make a motion or something to denounce this letter and call for a vote at the next council meeting.

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Ditto on Vinings which is the new name for Mableton and Austell. Preceding the vinings explosion there was the expanding Buckhead phenomena. Seems to me if developers want to latch on to your identity trying to stop them is pretty much shooting yourself in the foot.

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It IS A Joke.....

What's a joke is that Peachtree City repeatedly communicates to the world that this is a BAD place to do business, and that our high-falutin' little province is too good for the likes of Sam's Club and a movie theater and Kohl's and all the other stores that we go to Newnan and Fayetteville for.
And then the town fathers - such as they are - bitch and moan because we are losing out on tax revenue, and because folks will actually drive through the city to get to a new commercial development (what, drive your car on OUR streets?)....and now a new business might even intimate some association with this kingdom and fool the shopping public?
Yes, it must be a joke. A Confederacy of Dunces.
Do we really want to try to convince our neighbors that our you-know-what don't stink?

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