No answers in voting rights lawsuit

Fayette Commission, School Board mum on NAACP vote challenge; funding may drive settlement

Will 10 elected officials surrender or will they litigate?

And will money — or the lack of it — become the deciding factor in the biggest voting rights case ever to hit Fayette County?

Officials with Fayette County government and the Fayette County Board of Education are not divulging how they will address a lawsuit filed by the Fayette County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and 11 individual county residents.

Hanging in the balance is a potential seismic change to the way Fayette County residents elect members of the county commission and the board of education. Currently, any Fayette resident registered to vote can vote on all five members of each board.

But the NAACP wants both governing bodies to adopt a new scenario that would limit each resident to picking just one member on each board, with the express goal of creating a special “majority minority” district that would in theory guarantee a person of color would be elected to the school board and county commission in that district.

The side effect, however, is that district voting would severely restrict the political clout currently enjoyed by Fayette County voters of all colors: the chance to directly decide all five representatives of the school board and county commission.

The current scheme of all county voters voting for all members of both boards has been in place for decades before the county’s minority population grew beyond single digit percentages. The growth of minorities from under 5 percent of the population in the 1980s to nearly 20 percent in the 2010 census has changed the dynamics of the voting equation.

The NAACP lawsuit claims that Fayette’s current election system violates the federal Voting Rights Act. The suit was filed in federal court and barring any major developments to settle, it will be determined by a U.S. District Court judge.

While the county commission has hired a law firm that specializes in such cases, the cash-strapped board of education has decided to have its own contract attorney, Phillip Hartley, handle the case.

The county’s law firm, Strickland Brockington Lewis, is using demographers to analyze the data behind the NAACP’s claim along with a proposed new district map that was submitted by the NAACP to the county. Both county and NAACP representatives have declined to provide The Citizen with copies of the maps, citing a protection due to the maps being part of “attorney-client work product.”

The Citizen asked County Manager Jack Krakeel last week if any decisions have been made on a direction to take in the lawsuit, and whether the possibility has been explored of helping “share” the county law firm’s expertise with the board of education.

Krakeel would only reply, “We are still in the discovery phase.”

In other words, the commission is playing its hand close to its vest, at least at this point.

School board attorney Hartley also declined to comment about any details of the school system’s plans to address the lawsuit.

“It is not appropriate for me to comment on strategy decisions or possibilities that may or may not arise during the course of litigation. We will be representing the School District in this matter and will be glad to respond as events actually occur,” Hartley said.

The Citizen was hoping to divine some answers from the school system to the following questions:

• Do you intend to fight the lawsuit or go for settlement? And if you fight it, what potential time lines do you foresee?

• Do you have any idea to date on a general or specific cost for the litigation?

• Given the cost or any other factors, is settling out of court something you’re considering?

• What feedback on this matter are you getting from the community?

• Can your attorney provide us with proposed maps of the redrawn voting districts?

The Citizen also asked how the school system would pay to defend the lawsuit, whether Hartley has the expertise to handle the response to the complaint, and whether the school system might seek to cost share with the county to lessen the financial expense, given that there could be enough similarities between both cases to help shave costs.

School superintendent Jeff Bearden declined to make any comments, saying that the questions had to do with “pending litigation.”

For its part, county officials have previously noted they are trying to keep costs down in the litigation by, for example, limiting the number of experts sought early on.

In the federal complaint, a good bit of attention is paid to the 2006 special election for one of the seats on the county commission. In that election Robert Horgan, a white candidate, won a five-way race for a vacant seat on the Fayette County Board of Commissioners against four other black candidates. That race included two black Democratic candidates, Wendi Felton and Charles Rousseau, along with black Republican candidates Emory Wilkerson and Malcolm Hughes.

The suit does not, however, detail that while 51.7 percent of the voters chose Horgan, the remaining vote was split amongst the four black candidates, with Wilkerson leading the others with 29.05 percent of the vote. Nor does it provide a racial breakdown of how many voters supported which candidate.

The suit also focuses on the 2010 defeat of Laura Burgess, a black college professor who ran as a Democrat for an open seat on the Fayette County Board of Education against Republican challenger Sam Tolbert, a retired college professor. The suit claims that Burgess “received near unanimous support from black voters (99 percent) but less than 20 percent of white votes.”

Burgess only got 31.5 percent of the vote countywide, according to county election results.

While the suit does not touch on the subject, Burgess’ campaign was notable because she never responded to a list of questions submitted to all candidates by The Citizen newspaper, the results of which were subsequently published. Tolbert did respond to The Citizen’s questions, and his answers were published in the paper.

Also not mentioned in the suit, Burgess also declined to return a number of phone calls for comment placed by The Citizen during the campaign, although she spoke with a reporter once in May soon after she qualified.

 

— Additional reporting by Ben Nelms

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Cyclist. Time with Gtown's first family was too short.

Voter fraud exists. It is not an epidemic. It is caught currently which is why you can cite past cases. The ACORN reference you attempt to use as a case of fraud was not found to be an example of fraud. It was found to be a case of video editing and context altering by GOP operatives. Was ACORN found guilty of systematic voter fraud? No. Were they defunded by a republican FOX news lead smear campaign? Yes they were.

As for Obama care, as you like to call it: A million more Americans are insured Cyclist. That's why republicans changed "repeal" to "repeal and replace". Repubs know having more Americans insured is a good thing. Your party did not reform healthcare. Your party just tacked on an unfunded prescription drug benefit, didn't pay for it, and walked away from the problem. Obama has tried to do Something where your party stayed in denial of our healthcare crisis, which is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.
And brother, we both know Medicare fraud is not at all new. Fraud control and healthcare providing should not be conflated, in my opinion. Hope we can discuss this over a meal the first or second.
Happy New Year brother!

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ACORN paid individuals to collect votes and in one instance an ACORN representative in Ohio accepted crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. (Source WSJ) We can go on and on but honestly, given the political slant of the group, how could they be trusted? Likewise, if a conservative group of the same size and scope accepted government money and also registered voters I suspect the liberal side would cry foul. But nonetheless, it's refreshing to see that at least we have acknowledged that voter fraud does exist. I'm sure Eric "boom boom" Holder would acknowledge the same. But I suspect politics prevents him from doing so.

As for Health care, all your side to did was create a jobs program and added insurance rules into a bill disguised as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (it's so much earlier to say Obama Care). In the end, the cost of medical treatment is still going to be just as expensive. Oh, and when those evil insurance companies exit the market, I guess we'll finally have that liberal "age of aquarius". You know, that's when the moon and stars align with Mars and we finally have a "single payer" plan.

Oh, without valid ID process how in the world are we going to prevent illegals from participating? Oh, wait a minute, I'm sure that in the very near future that the provision excluding illegal immigrants in Obama's show piece bill will be ruled by some liberal court as unconstitutional. Gee, how many will that add to this government freebie? Got money????

Now to more important business. Yes, we'll get together however, Monday or Tuesday is out for me.

With all this said, you know that we don't discus politics at out little gatherings. I'm saying this for Davids mom benefit. She needs to come to one.

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I'm coming , just let me know when and where !

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Funding may drive settlement

Very wise for Commission to remain mum. This county doesn't need to lose funds.
Interesting debate. I think we digressed from the issue-photo ID and the threat of voter fraud.
Fayette County has a history of bias based on color. Some comments showed a definite suspicion of the political motivation of the NAACP and the current Republican Party. Trust vs. Bias. Availability of photo ID to the poor in rural areas in the state . . and some suburban areas. Insure that photo ID is available to all in the state and Fayette County.

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2008 Voter Fraud Investigation Heats Up in Indiana

2008 Voter Fraud Investigation Heats Up in Indiana

"I had always thought that, now-President Obama, had earned his victory in Indiana," said the state's Republican chairman, Eric Holcomb. "But then I quickly learned that he had cheated his way on to the ballot in the primary."

Of course he cheated- That's the liberal, bedwetting, democrat way.

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Clarification

Is it the desire of some here to have a criteria for evaluating the education and income of registered voters? How would you implement this?

This 'lawsuit' may be settled out of court. It certainly pointed out that many old issues are far from 'healed'.
Why the fear of those 'blacks' who live in the 'big house's? As far as fraud in voting in Faydtte County or anywhere else, I thank the poster who pointed out that Americans of all races are capable of this crime.

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I hope your Christmas was indeed filled with both warmth and contentment.

I simply do not see any reason to fear of any minority or ethnic difference by any block of voters or economic status. What I see is a smokescreen by many to disguise a difference in philosophy so as to attain an advantage over an opposing view. When one uses the term 'fear' they are assuming the ignorance of those they can convert which bodes unfavorably to any ethnicity regardless of culture.

Simply having to produce the same ID to vote as cash a check, is an issue I would believe even you would see as a means to bolster the integrity of the ballot.

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Mike/ Photo ID

Just make it available to all - I think I shared a viable solution for those who truly want all to participate in the election process. Race, religion, gender has been taken care of in the Constitution and it's amendments. Let's not have to go to having to add amendments to include education and income. In 2011, I feel Americans are better than that. Gosh, if only more than the historical percentage would exercise their 'responsibility' to vote. Christmas was wonderful!

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The citizens of Fayette County/Fayetteville could be a role model to the rest of the country - modeling how Americans can live side by side with one another and build a harmonious community. IMHO.

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Picture IDs are available to all. Folks that currently do not possess one obviously lack the motivation to vote. It simply has nothing to do with ethnicity or veteran status or whatever.

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Picture IDs are available to all

Really? See Lion's post. Picture ID's are not available to all - just like registration forms were not available to all in the past - especially in Georgia. But you can bet that there will be an effort/ is an effort to make sure that it is available to all - or declared a ploy by the state of GA to prevent some from voting. Readers of the bill quickly caught the attempt at implementing the free voter ID by providing ONE BUS, throughout Georgia for the taking of free pictures in the rural areas of this great state. We'll see if the implementation of making this available to all has been corrected. Interesting. Some citizens do read these bills. . . .and that is one reason why Georgia remains on the VRA list. Fayetteville, GA should be used as a role model of the 'new' south- but there are some who think the strategy of yesteryear will work today. I think Lion's post is far more to the point than mine.

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Voter Registration

Georgia citizens have access to several convenient methods of registering to vote:

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/Voting_information.htm

Who are they not available to?

ID Needed for Voter Registration
If you are a first time voter, you are required to provide your Social Security number and one of the following acceptable items of identification when you register:

A valid Georgia driver's license
A valid ID card issued by a branch, department, agency, or any other entity of Georgia, any other state, or the U.S. authorized by law to issue personal ID
A valid U.S. passport
A valid federal employee ID card containing your photograph and issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or other entity of Georgia
A valid employee ID card containing your photograph and issued by any employer in the ordinary course of such employer's business
A valid student ID card containing your photograph from any public or private college, university, or postgraduate technical or professional school located within Georgia
A valid Georgia license to carry a pistol or revolver
A valid pilot's license issued by the FAA or other authorized agency of the U.S.
A valid U.S. military ID card
A certified copy of your birth certificate
A valid Social Security card
A certified naturalization document
A certified copy of court records showing adoption, name, or sex change
A current utility bill, or a legible copy thereof, showing your name and address
A bank statement, or a legible copy thereof, showing your name and address
A government check or paycheck, or a legible copy thereof, showing your name and address
A government document, or a legible copy thereof, showing your name and address

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I already answered your question.

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Haven't changed at all have you?

Happy New Years

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Lindsey -

in case you missed my answer:

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No job, no money, no need for a bank account. Have you ever seen the large number of people who carry their total belongings with them in a shopping cart? Not everyone owns a car. Travel? They are still citizens with the 'right' and responsibility to 'vote'. (I didn't even mention the citizens that I have witnessed in rural Georgia - many not considered 'minority'.

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We're discussing PHOTO ID'S Happy New Year! (One at a time - thanks for extending your greeting!)

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Voter IDD

Conservatives are so very clever. They develop outrage over a non-existent problem--voter fraud. (How many cases of voter fraud in Fayette County? in Georgia? Answer is 0 to very, very few.)

Then the conservatives enact a "solution" to the non-existent problem--requiring certain types of picture ID to vote.

And who are most likely to have such ID? middle class Republicans. Who are least likely to have such ID? poor and minority Democratic voters. So surprise, conservative Republicans benefit.

Nothing racist about the conservative remedy we are told.

But it is in the grand Southern white tradition of poll taxes and literacy tests to vote. Nothing discriminatory on the face of those laws but the result was to keep blacks from voting.

Why are some states trying to turn the clock back to the bad old days?

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Voter ID and the mess to come

Eric "Gun Broker" Holder, Emperor of the Justice Department, has so decreed that South Carolina cannot use its voter ID program to prevent voter fraud. The Emperor is using the Voting Rights Act (VRA) to twist the arm of that state's Constitutional government. South Carolina can proceed via another tack so it will be interesting to see what's next.

Of course, with all this said, the US Supreme Court already ruled that voter ID, at least in Indiana, is legal. One big difference is that Indiana is not bound by the VRA.

Now, the big mess to come....well that would be Obama Care or whatever you wish to call it. Lots of fraud and there is no real way to combat it without a verifiable national ID system.

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It's interesting to me that conservatives with passports,

and vehicles, and bank accounts don't possibly see a problem with Southern States steeped in a racist history of voter disinfranchisement, implementing solutions to voting fraud; solutions which require some pretty big government solutions.... big government which they say they hate.... except when big government is doing things that effect other people.... gay citizens ability to wed, poor voters, welfare recipients.

This is not a new pattern. Small government conservatives all over the "not racist anymore" south want to require drug testing of those on the government dime..... but just the poor ones. Not the govt grant students or government paycheck employees. Nope. Just the poor welfare folks.

They hate even the idea of OBAMA care. Of course, they are insured. Some of them through the government they hate. How dare we insure a million more American children?! This may cost me something some day, even though it doesn't cost me a dime more right now. Why don't we let emergency rooms keep treating these poor uninsured people at a huge cost to taxpayers under the old broken system??? The outrage!!!

Here is the deal my dear well-travelled, well insured, middle to upper class conservative American friends: There are citizens out there who are impacted by your big government laws and desires in ways you are not. Because the old healthcare system met your family's needs does not mean it met the needs of all or even most Americans. Because conservative fixes to non-existent voter fraud epidemics do not effect you; this DOES NOT mean other less fortunate Americans are not disenfranchised by the new hurdles placed before them on the way to the voting booth by big government conservatism. David's Mom has an excellent Brennan Center link below on a non-partisan statistical study of so called voter fraud. It pulls back the veil nicely. It's amazing that empathy has apparently died here.

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What's really interesting.....

is when liberals deny that voting fraud exists. It seems like they have already forgotten about ACORN. Remember, that's the group that got federal money to register the poor people to.....well to vote democrat. When that little secret came out along with the infamous video the gig was essentially up for them.

I can also recall when Congressman Bob Dornan (CA) lost his seat and it was later revealed via a Congressional House investigation that 748 votes had been cast illegally—624 from non-citizens in addition to 124 that had already been thrown out by California officials. That was a tight race with only 949 votes separating the winner from the loser.

I suspect there are some on this board that can remember back to the 1960 national election (Kennedy-Nixon) where some voting precincts actually collected vote totals which were greater then the numbers of voters residing in a given precinct.

But to liberals, I guess this is OK as long as it was a Republican that lost and not a Democrat. Liberals don't really care if a non-citizen or those which have legally lost their ability to vote can illegally vote long as the vote is for the "right" party. Could it be their agenda is to "cheapen" the meaning of citizenship?

Oh, the Obama Care thingy. Interesting, I throw out a valid comment about the fraud and I get a liberal view of health care minus anything mentioning fraud.

Oh well, luv ya kevin. Say hello to his honor and your mom.

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Cyclist, I believe voter fraud still exists.

The latest case of ‘voter fraud’ was the names Newt Getrich’s campaign turned in to get on the ballot in Virginia. So many names were bogus he didn’t have enough signatures. Poor Newt was a victim of poor quality control by his contractor.

I’m guessing most voter fraud takes place, and caught by authorities, before Election Day. IMHO, the recent voter ID laws being passed by GOP controlled states is meant for exclusion instead of protecting people’s right to vote.

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Gort, We Agree...

...that voter fraud does exist, actually from both sides. The 'short cut' you mention on behalf of the Gingrich campaign or the blatant denial of absentee ballots from deployed service members exemplifies what is wrong with America. We, the electorate, simply tolerate it so it has become the norm.

That said, would you care to substantiate the allegation you make by your statement below?

"the recent voter ID laws being passed by GOP controlled states is meant for exclusion instead of protecting people’s right to vote."

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Mike King, my point was

the mechanisms for detecting voting fraud already exist. Every state that passed a voter ID law has placed an additional burden on its citizens. Not all citizens are willing or able to meet that burden and therefore excluded from voting.

Besides, requiring a voter ID sounds like a ‘mandate’ doesn’t it? I thought the GOP don’t like mandates?

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Voter ID discrimination

If voter fraud was a problem that needed to be addressed (which it was not), Georgia Republicans could have done several things. They could have funded a publicity campaign, like that against drunk driving, warning people of the penalties for voter fraud and that the law would be enforced. They could have increased the criminal penalties for voter fraud. They could have made a major effort to educate poll workers on how to recognize real voter fraud. And there may have been other steps that could have been taken.

But the Republican motive for voter picture ID was always political. Republicans knew the voter ID law would work adversely impact mainly the poor and minorities, groups that tend to vote heavily Democratic. The law would have minimal impact on those who tend to vote Republican.

The Georgia voter ID law clearly discriminates on a racial basis and is a violation of the Federal Voting Rights Act.

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Anyone over the age 18 should have some form of photo identification. It does not matter if it is a Drivers License or just a state ID card. Photo ID is required for many things. I was asked to show my photo ID on 2 separate occasions yesterday. I'm guessing I will be asked to present it again later today when I'm out as well.
The state of Georgia issues for FREE a Georgia Photo ID card (for voting purposes only) so I don't see how this would adversely impact the poor and minorities from voting? Had the state charged for this card which is good for 8 years I might see your point but since they don't, there is no issue.

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Georgia Voter ID Law and Discrimination
lion wrote:

The Georgia voter ID law clearly discriminates on a racial basis and is a violation of the Federal Voting Rights Act.

Then why did Eric "Machine Gun" Holder approve the plan back in 2010?

We'll all wait for your intelligent reply.

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A better question is why is Georgia still under the scrutiny of VRA? One reason may be the offering of one bus for the entire state to provide free ID photos for the poor and those unable to get to a DMV or other location that would provide the service. I would hope that has been corrected. I agree, if the photo ID is required, just make sure all have access to obtaining one.
The leadership in Georgia has been questioned for generations - regardless of the label of the governing party. No argument about the access for middle class Americans to the ballot box - and they are the ones who have left both parties in droves because of the not so subtle politics of the 'greedy' who want to insure they don't lose their perceived power. Again, Fayetteville,Ga could be a role model of the new south. I'm proud to live in a community that is using the power of the vote to change the 'old boy' way of doing things. Happy New Year! One of my resolutions , keep listening and learning.
Mayor Steele deserves a lot of credit for the progress of Fayetteville, but he made the mistake of underestimating the 'newcomers'.

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Don't hold your breath

It is Lion you are typing about....

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I know Steve....

BTW, I'm sure glad you're back.

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Are you in town...?

Been lurking around saw the same old tired arguments from "those" few that always say the same old thing over and over and got drawn in... You know the Constitution guarantees us the right to vote and every law that Whites write is racist.. blah...blah...blah.

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Till the middle of the month...

then it's off to Texas.

Yup it's the same thing...keeping that conga line moving along.

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Give me a call

next "meeting"....

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Can.........

do.........

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Voter ID issues

I think that focusing on whether or not to have a picture ID to have your vote counted is taking your eye off of the ball and a requirement to have a photo ID for this need not work against anyone. The real issue is having your vote counted. The first and most obvious step is actually making the effort and placing a vote, next is having it validated and finally counted. In the 2000 vote there were enough registered voters from predominantly black areas in Duval county FL that were not able to place their votes to make the hanging chads issue in south FL a moot point. Allowing everyone who wants to participate in voting do so and holding votes that may be questionable until they are validated would go a lot further toward fairness. The ball in play here is the act of placing your vote and the most effective method of disenfranchisement is to foster peoples' feeling that their vote does not count, or worse, to develop attitudes of rebellion against the process, stinking up the place in other words. This is where politicians with agendas that do not include the common good have shown a particular adeptness.

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Absolutely ! VOTE. There is no excuse for the low turn-out in this country. If one is near a radio or TV they are inundated with information If they have an address, information is mailed to them. Our history shows that all candidates and their staffs had 'encouraged ' voter participation using questionable means - or discouraged using the same. Thanks Carbon.

Kevin: an ad for home schooling. How sad. Who can you trust?

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Speaking of keeping an eye on the ball.....

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/police-nj-educator-videotaped-boys-sho...

when are these religious family values republicans going to learn? I would expect no less from a Republican Committee Chairman, but this is getting really, really old, IMHO.

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Racial discrimination....against whom? Whites?
lion wrote:

The Georgia voter ID law clearly discriminates on a racial basis and is a violation of the Federal Voting Rights Act.

Who do you think the photo ID affects more of, white or black people? You realize that by sheer numbers there are quite a lot more "poor" white people than poor black people, right? Go ahead and combine poor blacks and Hispanics together and guess what? Still more poor white people than both of those combined.

The Supreme Court already decided a few years ago(again) that requiring photo ID does NOT violate the Voting Rights Act or any other laws at all, so that's the reality and also why more states are adopting laws requiring it. All Eric Holder did with SC is throw a bone to Obama's political allies who have been raising hell about more and more states adopting photo ID laws. Justice Dept action on this issue is rather meaningless since all SC is going to to do is take it to federal court and get it approved by the court instead of Justice.

Since u like polls so much, here's a Rasmussen one: 69% of Americans agree with voter ID laws.

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Against whom?

In Georgia, there are a lot of 'poor' whites who would have difficulty getting a legal photo ID. They don't work for a government agency; they don't have a car; they don't have transportation to a DMV; they don't have credit cards or use a bank. Unfortunately, GA has legislators who still try to circumvent the VRA - and for this reason are under scrutiny Oh yes, there are also poor blacks who would be affected. Bigfoot had a strategy for making sure all had an equal opportunity to get a legal photo ID.
There are other states that have solved this problem. The ONE BUS solution didn't pass the muster.

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Verifiable ID system 200+ years and we don't have one yet except driver's license, etc. (And you know you can buy that anywhere - even here in Georgia. I'm not sure if they have 'hacked' the e-verify system) No matter our politics, just make the so-called Voter ID available to all regardless of race, religion, gender, income, education.
This proposal of not allowing the poor and undereducated to vote will be fought in the courts and non-violently in the streets. Why foster another mess? By the way, under Obamacare, my medicare premium has gone down - and my friends are allowed to have their recently graduated, unemployed children to continue on their health insurance, (Which by the way is not 'government' insurance) The GOP candidates are vacillating back and forth - depending who they're talking to. Both ideologies have their positive and negative points. . .the ignorance lies in the fact that it is obvious that politics is more important than the American people. The Independents are listening - and there is more negative 'stuff' about the Republican candidates than Obama! (Thanks to this long, long primary process)

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Photo ID and driver's licenses

In the USA, there were 217 million current drivers licenses in 2010 for people 18 and older according to the DOT. There are roughly 208 million registered voters in this country. So 9 million already have photo ID and just don't care about voting enough to even bother registering.

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We certainly agree here!! That is a true tragedy when so many have sacrificed their lives for us to have this privilege. Sad.

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"The federal government announced Wednesday that seniors on Social Security will receive a 3.6 percent cost of living increase in 2012, the first raise since 2009.
The average beneficiary will receive $38 more a month for a total of $1,120.
But part of that extra income may be eaten away by higher premiums for Medicare, the federal health insurance program for people over 65. The federal government will announce the 2012 premium for Medicare Part B (outpatient care) later this month. It is expected to be $106.60, which is $10 higher than what most Medicare beneficiaries currently pay. (New Medicare beneficiaries and high-income seniors already pay a higher premium.)"

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Social-Security-up-38-Medicare-c...

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Thanks for the information. I don't get social security - and my medicare premium went down! Go figure.

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Voter ID, yes

It did not take me to long to find a number of voter fraud cases including one as recent as this past year involving 12 officials so to say this problem is non-existent is further from the truth than you might think.
Voter ID is a necessity and allowing anyone to vote without any kind of ID is a mistake which could lead to demise of this country. While no system is ever going to be perfect, requiring someone to present a voter ID card would make fraud less likely to occur. It ensures only those who are entitled to vote, are allowed to do so.
A buddy of mine suggested an idea a few years back which could work. Upon your 18th birthday or Naturalization, you present the necessary paperwork to your local registrar office who then issues you a voter ID which looks like a credit card. The magnetic strip contains all of your information and also lists what elections you are eligible to vote in. On election day, you swipe your card in the voting machine and only those ballots appear which you are entitled to vote for. Upon successful submission of your ballot, your voter ID is prohibited from voting again that day. In the case of Absentee voting, your ID is printed on the form in the way of a barcode. The barcode is scanned when received and entered as a valid ballot upon confirmation one has not been already submitted.
By the way, I am also all for checking immigration status at polling places. In 1996, Bill Clinton (yes, Bill Clinton) signed The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Section 347 makes aliens who have unlawfully voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is both excludable and deportable (under INA §212(a)(10)(D) and INA §241(a)(6), respectively).
The word aliens refers to anyone who is not a "US Citizen", it does not matter if you are here on a work visa, student visa, are a permanent resident, ilegal or whatever. Of O had my way I would have I.C.E. agents at every polling place loading up buses of non-citizens who are committing a federal crime.

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Bigfoot- The Truth About Voter Fraud

You might want to read this. LAPD is famous for 'just the facts mam'.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_...

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Lion do you remember a run off of Bush and Gore?

Many of us will never agree that Bush won that election.

If we make it as simple to vote as whipping out nothing to vote...corruption will run rampant by both blacks and whites. Do you think whites won't think of it too?

When I was a little girl, I remember all the people in the cemetaries voted!

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Fear Lion

Fear of losing perceived superiority/power; fear of change; fear of what the Time Magazine announced years ago - the 'browning' of America. It is obvious that one is not considered 'superior' by the current generation simply because of the color of their skin. But to lose perceived power to a group that is different is frightening to some. Why? Because some people have never accepted all citizens of this country as American. The citizens of Fayette County/Fayetteville could be a role model to the rest of the country - modeling how Americans can live side by side with one another and build a harmonious community. IMHO.

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ok guys..equal but seperate?

when you run and don't raise concerns till after you ...lose...it really makes you look like a sore looser, not someone with a logical reason for a lawsuit. But then the NAACP has money to burn/bully for lawsuits.

The more I hear about 'we want to redraw the lines so we can win'...or 'we want one of us in office even though we didn't win a fair election'...'we need a person of color' to represent us..(whitie apparently can't)

The more I hear it seems to scream we want 'equal but separate'. Isn't that going ...backwards..just to win an election? The more whinning I hear...the more obvious this country is going backwards just to make 12% happy.

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I also want to make it clear

that I feel strongly, of the 12%, there is only about 1% that is doing all the complaining.

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DM & Photo IDs

My ID card reflects "Indef" for expiration date--don't know why your husband's would not reflect the same. Now ID cards issued to dependents DO have an expiration date--believe they're good for 3 or 4 yrs. And I do believe GA offers a free photo ID for purpose of voting.

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Hutch, Cyclist, others

It's interesting that the plight of the poor often ties in directly with the plight of the minorities in this country. Some feel that MLK was killed because he was taking the 'equal rights' thing too far by including his concern for the poor in our country which would unite 'white' and 'black'. Those of us who are fortunate to live in a city like Fayetteville, GA sometimes forget that all Americans are not so blessed. I'm enjoying multi-tasking today as I look forward to family and friends on this most special celebration of the Christ. Have a wonderful, peaceful holiday. Yup, I'll still express my opinion next year. LOL Peace.

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Same back at you and give your mom a hug.

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Ivan Allen gave up

Ivan Allen gave up Atlanta years ago, I guess the Blacks think we should do the same, because your know, they are Special! Just get out and Vote, they are still only 12.6% of the national population people!

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Ivan Allen

Are you implying that Ivan Allen did not support integration in Atlanta? Please read your own history. The mistake that Ivan Allen made was consecrating solely on the building of downtown Atlanta and building a strong middle class - both black and white - and neglecting making provisions for the poor and underemployed. (black and white) The unrest in the mid 60's was directly attached to that. Our country is about to make the same mistake as other countries in building beautiful buildings, great freeways, and neglecting the homeless and the citizens who live under the freeways. Ivan Allen saw that he would not get support for taking action to correct this in 66 or 67 and decided not to run for office. He is still highly respected in the Black community today for his opposition to segregation. As I've said before, we all interpret 'history' from our own perspective. No one has adequately answered my question: Where is there a black residential area in Fayette County other then Country Lakes? (I'm sorry if I missed the answer) The Citizen's not so subtle attempt in bringing out the racism in this county will not help the BOE's case at all. The posts in this blog will assure a judge that there is a problem in Fayette County in 2011. Maybe you should ask all of the citizens if they would like to have a representative that represented their community concerns on the Council and/or BOE. Most middle class communities in Fayette County are now well integrated. Some Middle Class citizens do vote. . .

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Ivan Allen saw that he would not get support for taking action to correct this in 66 or 67 and decided not to run for office

I think the concept is the same. History is histrory.

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"Maybe you should ask all of the citizens if they would like to have a representative that represented their community concerns on the Council and/or BOE. Most middle class communities in Fayette County are now well integrated."

DM, you are right most of Fayette is integrated, so why the big push from the NAACP to change what is obviously working. Unless someone wants the type on representation that they have from the illustrious David Scott.
And Ivan Allen didn't make the decision not to run on his own, he was told that he would not be backed by the party, not my interpretation of history, I was here and lived it. What you also have to understand is that I don't vote party lines, I vote for the most qualified person. Period.

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Good for you!!

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Sorry, I have no idea why the push from the NAACP. I understand that the constiuents of David Scott feel he represents them quite well - he's continually re-elected. It's their choice. We have our choice. . .right?

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DM & influencing Judicial decisions

If a judge used cmts from this blog to influence any sort of decision, that would surely border on a miscarriage of justice! Or in other words, using public pap and pablum to form a decision instead of legal precedent and constitutional (State & US) law.

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You're absolutely right.

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Hampstead Heath, Country Lakes, Northridge, Providence, pretty much that whole stretch of 279 from 314 to 138, and the north end of 314.

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Isn't it possible to see if the areas mentioned in Hutch's post voted as a 'black block'? Interesting that the media is again trying to get 'facts' that are not yet in evidence.

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Thanks!

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Edward Johnson - Fayetteville

I think people voted for Edward Johnson for his words - and not his skin color. I may be wrong.

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this is not 1956

Could the county start a legal defense fund?

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So, Ms. Burgess gets 99% of the black vote

BTW, how does she know that? Is a different ballot for blacks and whites and others?
Anyway, I guess the contention is that if you have the overwhelming support of the black voters, you should be considered elected. Wonder if that same logic will be applied to a white candidate or an Oriental one?

And since Ms. Burgess won't talk to the media or make any pronouncements about her platform or qualifications, it would seem that her only qualification is being black. This is difficult to understand when approached logically. I wonder what kind of college professor she is?

As I have said before - just roll over and give up and not waste money on lawyers. Let district voting begin. Maybe even have a do-over on the Horgan election. But wait, there are 4 black candidates so how do we sort that out? The one with the most votes? No, he's white. The non-white with the most votes? No, that's under 50%. Hmmm. we got a real dilemma here. Maybe elect all 4 black candidates and they could take turns - 3 months each year.

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talk about trying to stack the deck!

how many different offices has that NAACP guy run for and lost? Seems to me he is more in love with a seat of power than anything else. Now he wants to legally rig the outcome so he can win! Disgusting!

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Voter Picture ID

Justice Department has blocked South Carolina's voter picture ID law as discriminatory.

Good.

Now maybe the Feds will do the same for the Georgia voter ID law.

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Well since the Supreme Court upheld the rights of two states, Georgia and Indiana, what do you suppose the chances are currently? BTW, aren't all those folks cashing welfare checks required to show a picture ID? Just asking.

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I'm sure you're not implying that all 'blacks' in FC are on welfare. The welfare check, like our payroll check can be deposited at an ATM. . . .no photo needed.

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We both realize that anyone utilizing 'check to bank' had to initiate the process with a picture ID. What's your point?

Are you implying that I am somewhat biased?

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Biased? Aren't we all? See the question I asked Hutch.

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Good point Hutch. What do you think motivates this fear of almost non-existent voter fraud? Who is it of the millions of non-voters in this country that causes this concern?

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But you need the photo ID to open a bank account to get the use of an ATM. I Think you just proved his point.

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Good point Hutch. What do you think motivates this fear of almost non-existent voter fraud? Who is it of the millions of non-voters in this country that causes this concern?

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Hutch not true

A Bank will take anyones money without photo ID. You can use a SS card to do this.

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T-Man: Better check again

No photo ID and you cannot open a bank account. "Know Your Customer" laws(part of original Patriot Act) to prevent money-laundering and terrorism financing, etc. Sure, if u already have a bank account, they aren't likely to ask for ID for every transaction, but you can forget opening an account without photo ID.

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Voter ID

Would someone enlighten me on why minorities are much more likely than non-minorities to not have photo ID?

Let's see.......

You can't get a job without photo ID due to federal law

You cannot open or use a bank account without photo ID due to "Know Your Customer" federal laws governing banks.

You cannot operate a motor vehicle without photo ID (drivers license) due to every state law.

You cannot travel by airplane without photo ID due to federal law.

You cannot travel by Greyhound bus or Amtrak without photo ID.

Yet, it's some way "discriminatory" to require a photo ID to vote? In fairness to the incompetent moron AG Eric Holder, he's been getting a ton of heat from alleged "civil rights groups" about all the states that have and are in the process of implementing right now photo ID laws as well as having to testify to Congress over "Fast and Furious" and then re-testify about how he didn't "technically" lie under oath previously and also how he thinks no one in Justice lied themselves even though that's already been proven, refusal to defend federal law on DOMA and immigration, the whole "New Black Panther" voting dust-up.....etc.etc.etc., but enough is enough. Show some common sense and a spine or just quit.

Eric Holder makes complete morons Ed Meese and Gonzalez look like brilliant AG's. Of all of Obama's appointees, Holder is by far the worst and no one else comes close.

So....it's OK to require photo ID for anything else besides voting? Uh, no. It allegedly "disproportionally" affects people that frankly shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place. If you are completely non-functional as a citizen and have no idea about how to obtain a photo ID that you some how can survive without the other 364 days of the year, why should I worry about making it easy for you to vote?

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You've answered your own question. The sad thing is that you - and most middle class people - are unaware of the answer.

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You can't get a job without photo ID due to federal law
You cannot open or use a bank account without photo ID due to "Know Your Customer" federal laws governing banks.
You cannot operate a motor vehicle without photo ID (drivers license) due to every state law.
You cannot travel by airplane without photo ID due to federal law.
You cannot travel by Greyhound bus or Amtrak without photo ID

There is a sizable group in these United States who are not mentally capable of getting a job - many of them homeless veterans of all races as well as some minorities. No job, no money, no need for a bank account. Have you ever seen the large number of people who carry their total belongings with them in a shopping cart? Not everyone owns a car. Travel? They are still citizens with the 'right' and responsibility to 'vote'. (I didn't even mention the citizens that I have witnessed in rural Georgia - many not considered 'minority'.

If these people could be issued an ID at no cost - then they could vote. Most of the undereducated, poor in this country are still a too large segment of the minority population. I think that's a fact. I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm mistaken. Those of us who are considered 'minority' - yet middle class - have no problem, but in this country one shouldn't be denied the right to vote due to class or economic circumstances - right?

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DM: I don't want the homeless and uneducated poor voting

Why do you think a lot of states used to or still do restrict the sale of alcohol on election days?

To me, the less voter turnout, the better. That means my vote proportionally counts more and the whole "poor agenda" is hostile to me. I'm not in the alleged "1%" but I sure don't want to see the most ignorant and least of us electing our representatives.

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'nuff said

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Palin Videos/T Party videos

Oh, why waste the time.

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Had to stop laughing before I answered this one! LOL!! I'm sure you're not telling us that you think that all poor and uneducated are drunk on election day!! I think someone is fearful of the intelligent, informed populace that may come to the polling place drunk. In today's economy, not all 'poor' people are ignorant or uneducated. I was appalled when I found out that one of my finest teachers was living out of her car; there were students who met their parent each day because they did not have a permanent place to stay - NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WERE IGNORANT OR UNEDUCATED!! The poor in our country do have rights. I'm sure you have more than four months of funds to keep you in your home if for some reason funds were not available to you. Too many people today are living from paycheck to paycheck - and too many people have been without a paycheck for a long time. Now that's not a laughing matter.

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DM: Stop laughing, it's reality

Politicians and their allies used to get people to the polling booths by promising them a bottle or a drink if they voted. That's the reason for the alcohol sale restrictions on election day in the past decades, and it still happens even now.

As far as what the poor and uneducated are doing on election day, I hope they aren't voting. Hell, maybe I should buy them a drink NOT to vote.

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I saw this as a child...it is true

When I was little, my parents had heard that the sherif was paying the people that would sell their votes. Because he was a crook, my parents drove together with us kids in the car up there to check it out. Sure enough, I will always remember my parents having a long conversation with him. They confronted him with what they had heard and he was not at all ashamed of what he was doing. He had a pickup truck, and the whole back was full of people who had just gone in and voted. He was in the process, and finished paying them $5.00 each for their votes. He finally excused himself saying he had to take these home and go pick up another load, and intended on doing so till the polls closed!

In retaliation, others had registered their dead relatives to vote.

This is what went on, and WILL go on, if you make it to where anyone can vote, so to speak without proper ID.

The Blacks that are pushing this as a way to control the voting outcome are naive at best if they don't think the whites will do the same . The whites will find the loopholes and work them just as well.

What they are thinking is that they will register many at say River Oaks in those hugh houses. Do not ever think the same won't be applied by whites in whitewater, etc. The blacks that are pushing this are on a fools mission.

What we have may be flawed, but it is the best we have.

ps...I took my 90 year old mother who lives in a small town to the bank. The knew her quite well but she hadn't had a drivers ID for years. She was moving a very large amount of money and they sent her home to fish for her SS card or anything else she had. If she didn't come back with it, she couldn't move her money. End of story.

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District voting

It appears they do want to stack the deck and have a non-white represent a segment of our community. Trust is what I see as the big reason for this. Funny in this country we put a man of color in the presidents seat but can't trust our neighbor for local elections.

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May you always have a dime in your pocket and the wind at your back. May you never be poor. May your mind always operate at it's optimum. There are poor people today who probably scored higher on intelligence tests than either you or I. A person today in the US is ASSUMED to have a minimum education by a certain age. You don't have to have a high school diploma to vote. Are you advocating that all of those who have not worked in two or three years and are legally considered 'poor' - should not have the right to vote? Interesting.

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As far as what the poor and uneducated are doing on election day, I hope they aren't voting. Hell, maybe I should buy them a drink NOT to vote.

Is this a 'Libertarian' stand?

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Right to Vote

There is no Constitutional right to vote.

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Interesting that there are amendments to the Constitution to stop the denial of that 'perceived' right to certain citizens. The courts have made it clear that states cannot deny a citizen the right to vote. That is federal - and Georgia is still being monitored to see that this is implemented by this state.

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DM: States deny ability to vote all the time

States CAN and do deny citizens the right to vote. All US states limit voting to people 18 years or higher presently, however, states can set the voting age lower if they want to. States also have the power to decide whether non-citizens are allowed to vote and if so, which type of elections they can/cannot. Several states ban convicted felons from ever being allowed to vote while others do not allow felons presently incarcerated to vote. States also have their own residency and registration requirements such as how long you have to be registered to vote before you are allowed to.

SLindsey is also correct that nowhere in the Constitution is there any explicit right to vote. The only issues addressed are specific factors like race, sex, religion, property, physical access, etc. that cannot be used to deny people the ability to vote.

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Thank you.

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