July 31 vote: What does it all mean?

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Power. Who has it, and who hasn’t.

That’s what the July 31 vote results — and any election — mean.

So who has the power we the people have delegated to them for the next two to four years?

Answers to that in a second. Let’s first deal with that strange fowl, the lame duck.

Here are Fayette County’s lame ducks — elected officials still in power until Jan. 1, 2013 but forbidden or unable to exercise effective power after that date:

Sheriff — Wayne Hannah. Expect no problems here. There will be a smooth transition.

County Commission — Herb Frady, Robert Horgan and (functionally lame) Lee Hearn. Some potential for parting shots here, like shifting the once-sacrosanct money for the West Fayetteville Bypass, third phase, to the equally unappealing East Fayetteville Bypass.

Board of Education: Janet Smola, one-time Republican Terri Smith (running as a Democrat in November) and (functionally lame) appointee, Democrat Leonard Presberg. Real opportunity for lasting mischief here during the next five months. More later.

And the winners are . . .!

No matter what, power shifts are ahead for the county commission and the school board, regardless of who wins the two commission runoffs or the November Board of Education election.

The old majorities will be gone, banished to “out” status for at least one more year (for school board) and two more years for the county commission.

With Barry Marchman assured of a spot on the BoE come January, the new majority will be reinstalled Chairman Bob Todd, newly reelected Marion Key and rookie Marchman. In addition Mary Kay Bacallao, new Republican nominee, is almost certain to overcome newly uncovered Democrat Smith Nov. 6 and will become the fourth member of that new majority.

Mr. Presberg is slated to become the “1” in significant 4-to-1 votes beginning Jan. 1 next year. That will be the official end of the “throw more money at our schools, needed or not” regimes of the past 20 years.

But in the remaining five months, expect desperate Smola-Smith-Presberg attempts to raise our taxes in two ways: a new E-SPLOST education sales tax and removal by referendum of the 20-mill cap on local property taxes. Expect the same results as the recent T-SPLOST vote on both those attempts.

On the county commission, the only drama to be staged likely will be whether Commissioner Steve Brown gets elected chairman on the first or second ballot.

Whatever happens in the incumbent Lee Hearn-challenger Randy Ognio and David Barlow-Sheila Huddleston runoffs Aug. 21, the new majority will rule the commission.

That new majority consists of Brown, holdover Commissioner Allen McCarty and newly elected Charles Oddo. Ognio and Barlow will add to that majority if elected, but if not, Hearn will find himself on the losing end of many future votes, unlike his current situation.

What will Huddleston do if elected? That’s as unknown as she is an unknown candidate.

In the upset of the decade election, former deputy Barry Babb — demoted by current Sheriff Wayne Hannah nearly four years ago — will become the new sheriff in town.

Babb rode to victory on that perceived injustice. Now, will he replicate the mistake of his former boss, or will he be a magnanimous winner?

I have some unsolicited advice for Mr. Babb (whom I know and personally respect): Remember Solomon’s son.

Some lessons from the corpse of T-SPLOST:

The majority of us voters don’t trust those who represent us to spend new sources of revenue wisely.

Two things for local legislators to carry forward:

1. Ditch the penalty of voting down this political malfeasance.

2. Ditch the fashionable but fatuous new religion of regional governance and come home to that old time political religion: Home rule.

[Cal Beverly has been editor and publisher of The Citizen since its founding in February 1993.]

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Huddleston simply was not telling the truth

Sheila wasn't telling the truth about not being aligned with Lee Hearn in various campaign statements, in articles in the Citizen, and on her website, and that simply does not speak well for what she will do in the future.

Jim Richter

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Will this election ever be over??? I have not seen such back-

biting and animosity before an election since I left South Florida--I think we need to get rid of everybody and start over---nationally and locally. It is sad that in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth there is not one person you can feel good about voting for. If all of those running would tell us how they are going to make things better instead of ripping their opponents apart maybe we could get somewhere. Could it be that none of them know how to solve the problems, only create more while creating stories about the opposite side. I will vote but it will be for the lesser of two evils rather than for someone I will be proud to call my leader, be it nationally or locally. Sad, sad, sad.

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solving problems

check the Citizen today, a couple of the candidates have detailed solutions in print. . . . . Please consider reviewing and then make your best decision, and express your decision with your vote.

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Huddleston wasn't truthful

Osiris & Others

Do you now concede that Huddleston was ABSOLUTELY LYING about not being aligned with Lee Hearn?

Look at the picture on page A14 of the Citizen. Do you see that the ad was paid for by the committees to elect Lee Hearn and Sheila Huddleston?

Jim Richter

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Paid lobbyist Gene

Gene, first of all, your opinions are ones someone else has paid for.

We know you are in the Hearn camp and we would not expect you to say anything other than what you have already.

Second, Gingrich and Pelosi never ran a joint political campaign together. Although both of them have received plenty of money from special interests, like you Gene.

Third, the photo in the campaign ad on the back of Section A tells the real story. Sheila Huddleston poses with Commissioner Lee Hearn and pro-TSPLOST Mayor Dan Langford. If you really disagree with their positions so much, why do you have published campaign photos taken with them.

THE VOTERS ARE NOT STUPID, Gene.

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OPINION??

It is not my opinion but a fact that you took to these pages day after day to attack Lee Hearn's character and commitment by lying about his reasons for running for County Commission. It is not my opinion but a fact that when you were called on it and proven to be wrong, that you lamely and childishly tried to excuse your behavior with a simple, "My bad".

It is my opinion that you have no leadership skills and are an embarrassment to our county which is an opinion that all of my Fayette County friends share.

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Gene & 'movin on up'

Damn, you must feel like you just got called up from AAA to the'Bigs' seeing as you are now getting berated by an elected official instead of we 'little people'!!

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I promise not to forget the "little people" who helped me get here!! Plus, I don't imagine Steve is interested in having coffee with me.

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Jim – Having your picture taken with someone that you agree with sometimes and disagree with sometimes and then claiming that you are not aligned with that person is not lying (see Newt Gingrich, Nancy Pelosi). Going on virtually every blog string and claiming that one of your fellow commissioners is only running so he can be eligible for the Defined Benefit Plan when you know (or certainly should know) that commissioners are not eligible is lying (or embarrassingly ignorant).

Are we clear now?

P.S. Please quit vomiting on the blogs.

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The Truth Will, Patriots vs. Loyalists

Good for you, and thanks so much from the rest of Fayette County.

Voting for a "Patriot" instead of a "Loyalist" is what the founding fathers of our country would do!

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Patriots vs. Loyalists vs. Cult Followers

I don't think the Founding Fathers were all about cult followers who can't think for themselves either. Matter of fact, they had quite spirited debates amongst themselves, unlike what happens in FC.

I'm assuming that all the Brownies must actually agreed with this since not a single one has had any conviction whatsoever to respond differently:
http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/26339

So, I guess you are all for district voting since you cowards can't DARE say anything that disagrees with almighty Steve Brown, yet you think of yourselves as "patriots?" LOL. This country wasn't founded on group-think and a lack of convictions or principles.

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Osiris - Huddleston & Hearn are a team - it's not just a rumor

Surely, you are much smarter than to believe what she posted on the blog.

Examine the overwhelming evidence and you will realize how unbelievable her comments are.

What would it take to convince you that they are a team?

You know neither Hearn of Huddleston is about to make a statement admitting that they are a team.

VOTE FOR BARLOW AND OGNIO.

Jim Richter

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Voted today - but not for a lawyer or career politician

Voted today, but not for a lawyer or career politician! The county attorney provides all the legal advice the commissioners will ever need. Career politicians who vote against term limits are not serving the citizens, exactly who are they serving?

I voted for transparency and accountability. I voted for the candidates who know that tough financial times are approaching and have decades of business experience to weather any storm. I voted for the candidates who care about the Community and All Fayette County Citizens!

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What "overwhelming evidence" Jim?

I'll give you about a day to respond so you can email Steve Brown and get a reply on how you're supposed to respond when asked to state some facts instead of the usual BS that you parrot from Steve Brown who has been shown to be a total liar over and over this past month.

Between you and Brown LYING all over the place, Lee Hearn has a decent chance of getting re-elected. You clowns are so scared that David Barlow might lose to Huddleston that you are damaging Ognio's chances. Deal in facts or opinions but at least stop making accusations that you cannot back up at all and simply stop being dishonest.

Here's another question you can email your Messiah about: if Huddleston had filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy twice, would you make that a campaign issue or would you just totally ignore it? If Huddleston had stated that voting for TSPLOST is answerable to God, would you have raised hell? YOu know, Huddleston actually hasn't done that to Barlow and has taken a very high road that people like you cannot fathom because you lack anything resembling class or dignity whatsoever. You and Brown are the most bitter and whiniest bozos in the county. Maybe you can call up Bob Brown and Phylis Aguayo in PTC and have your own "I hate everything except Steve Brown" political party. I hear ginga, pips, johenry, and a few Brown aliases are ready to join.

I won't hear your answers on this because you are a die-hard fanatic and have to take Brown's talking points as your own since you ain't got nothing. All hat and no cattle. You make the Fayette County Tea Party look like a bunch of kooks also.

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FRADY, HORGAN, HEARN & KRAKEEL DID A NUMBER ON US

Do the citizens of Fayette County understand what Jack Krakeel, Herb Frady, Lee Hearn and Robert Horgan DID TO US with the Early Employee Retirement Plan that was rushed through the approval process back in June? Do they even care?

Those four guys will say “but the plan was unanimously approved by the full Board of Commissioners.” Well, luckily David Barlow was there and videotaped the entire meeting.

At the budget meeting, Steve Brown and Allen McCarty raised serious concerns about the plan but were told by Krakeel that he had to have an immediate answer, because he needed to incorporate the numbers in the budget. Furthermore, the employees affected needed notification immediately because they would be eligible to take early retirement on June 30, 2012. Fortunately, all of this is on the videotape!

Various “up front cost numbers” have been widely reported in the Citizen Newspaper and in comments made by Lee Hearn, Jack Krakeel, Robert Horgan, and for some unexplained reason the former chairman and twice defeated Jack Smith piped in with his praise for the plan and claims about how much money the plan would save the county. Total nonsense!

Nothing could be further from the truth!

After being stymied at almost every turn, I was told that Herb Frady had instructed Mary Holland, CFO, to stop providing the commissioners and me with information unless he approved the request. And, we were told we would have to file an open records request to get any more information.

Commissioners Brown, McCarty and I were shocked to learn that Frady had assumed such dictatorial powers and an instant backlash ensued. Frady denied having issued any such instructions but, whether he did or not, it is what it is!

I was initially told that the “up-front cost” information would be available shortly after the county provided the final June 30, 2012 payroll information to the trustees. Then about a week later, I was told it would take more time, but it should be ready shortly after July 15, 2012.

After being told that, both Commissioner Brown and I filed a formal request for information as provided under the Georgia Open Records Act and served our requests on the county clerk and the retirement plan trustees.

More delays and more excuses ensued, and then I was told the information would not be available until August 15, 2012. I found these excuses totally unbelievable.

Back in the mid 80’s, I was one of three trustees for a very large retirement plan in Arizona. Even back then, we could simply load the data into an Excel spreadsheet, and we had an answer within seconds. Technology has come a long way since 1985, and I suspect that I am just being given the run-around in an effort to stall the truth being discovered as long as possible.

Maybe I am just being paranoid, but it seems to me that I was being denied the truth until after the primary election which was held on July 31, 2012 and now after the run-off election on August 21, 2012.

The champions of this early retirement debacle, Krakeel, Hearn, Horgan and Frady, will tell you that the plan will save money in the long run, because the people that retired will be replaced with less expensive employees. Have you ever heard of a government agency that accomplished such an incredible feat?

Knowing how governments operate, I would bet anything that all the people that retired will be replaced within one year with similar or higher paid employees and the overall cost will increase through promotions of the previously lower-paid employees. This is called “the ripple effect” and that’s just how governments work - the Peter Principle in action!

Who stood to benefit from a delay? I will leave that up to your imagination but it might just be the two commissioners that were up for re-election, Lee Hearn and Robert Horgan.

The “up-front cost” has been quoted as low as $1 million and as high as $5 million, but based on my calculations; the number is closer to $3 million.

Unfortunately, the true cost will not be known for some time. The thirty-two people that took advantage of the early retirement plan were long-time employees that will be tough to replace.

The operational disruption will be huge, and the costs associated with the employee replacement costs could be quite large. None of these costs are taken into account in the “up-front costs” mentioned above, but I believe the overall costs will be several million dollars.

Now, lets examine the impact of all of this. The “up-front cost” of say $3 million dollars must be paid in August out of the county’s diminishing “rainy day” general fund which of course will have to be replenished via a millage rate increase that will hit all of us through an increase in our property taxes.

Surprise, surprise! Nobody told you about that little piece of information, did they?

Frady doesn’t have to answer for his decision because he is retiring in January. Horgan doesn’t have to answer for his either because he was defeated in the primary election. The only one left standing in this debacle is Lee Hearn!

Now, what do we do about this? Should we send Hearn packing or just give him a pass? That is for you the voters to decide!

Have you had enough of this nonsense, or do you want to keep getting the short end of the stick? If that’s ok with you, then vote for Lee Hearn.

I wrote an article on June 19, 2012 that was included in the Citizen entitled “why did we let this spending happen?” The article primarily dealt with the Defined Benefit Plan but also touched on the Early Retirement Plan. Click on the following link to read the full article:
http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/06-19-2012/how-did-we-let-spending-ha...

Jim Richter

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More needs to be added

A month or so ago, I read that Hall County (Gainesville, Ga.) got out of the Defined Benefits Plan because it was facing bankruptcy. Anyone interested in learning more can contact Hall County and speak with one of the commissioners.

Even the federal government got out of the Civil Service Retirement Program ("CSRS") which is defined benefits, and got into the Federal Employee Retirement System {"FERS"), which offers several investment options. The FERS options do not guarantee income.

The cost on both programs is shared by the government and the employee. The government saw that it could not sustain defined benefits, and in 1983, new federal employees could no longer apply for CSRS.

Think of it this way. How much capital would you need to provide a decent pension at today's interest rates?

Our BOC should delegate a subcommittee to meet with representatives of Hall County to learn more about the possible drastic consequences of the Defined Benefits Plan. But for now, we're stuck with it.

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PIPS, CSRS, & FERS

Half-true. First, one did not "apply" for CSRS--if you were a Fed Employee prior to 1984, you were part of the CSRS--after FERS came into being, a CSRS employee had the choice to remain CSRS or transfer to FERS. FERS is a combo of Social Security (which all Fed employees have paid since 1984 (including congresspeople), and employee contributions (with some matching by the Feds) to the Fed Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). With CSRS, I know that for many yrs, I contributed 12% of my salary into the retirement system and my employing agency had to contribute some amount, but I'm not sure how much or how it was determined.

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There is really only one choice

Shelia Huddleston teaming up with Hearn on the campaign trail is frightening. A couple of us watched as Hearn and Huddleston were having their photos taken together with pro-TSPLOST Mayor Dan Langford and Tax Commissioner George Wingo in front of the fountain at the County Admin building.

Now Huddleston is denying there is any connection between she and Hearn. Their actions are speaking louder than their words.

The fact that stands out the most is David Barlow and Randy Ognio have always maintained their positions and have never veered from those positions. They have always referred to one another as allies in a cause to protect the local taxpayers from special interest corruption and safeguard our county's quality of life.

Huddleston and Hearn are having a difficult time telling you why they have joint campaign signs and campaign photos. Huddleston claims to disagree with Hearn's positions, but she has a funny way of showing it. Huddleston had a clear choice and she chose Lee Hearn's path. They are the developer/Chamber of Commerce candidates.

They do not waffle and they do not waver: Vote David Barlow and Randy Ognio.

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It won't work Husband and Fat ...

Guys like you always have a difficult time with Steve Brown because he won't play your stupid mind games. He just tells it like it is and we love it.

When you talk to people around the county, there's very little doubt David Barlow and Randy Ognio will win.

You whiners and complainers turn people off.

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Mr. Comissioner

Should Hearn and / or Huddleston win, tell me sir, will you be able to work with them?

I don't have any problem with a sitting member supporting a candidate, but to this voter, you have crossed lines of decency. I don't need to hear what you have to say. I want to hear from the candidates.

Is there a reason why we haven't heard from Mr. Barlow lately? Is it because your political consultant advised him to lay low so as not to open his mouth and saying something inappropriate?

Everyone can see your reasoning. Without Barlow or Ognio you won't reach your goal of chairman.

If you want to be a leader act like a leader

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What's even funnier

The new Hearn-Huddleston duo didn't even surface until after the Republican Primary Election. Now, the joint signs are telling us they're both on the same page. This reminds me of the full page campaign ad Former Commission Chairman Jack Smith took out in another newspaper two years ago where umpteen of the "Who's Who of Fayette County" endorsed him as their candidate. They were all on the same page, too.

When you're on a good horse...you ride him through the stream.

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Hern/Huddleston Duo

If that proves to be true, I believe it will kill any chance she has of being elected.

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Coming attraction

Osiris - Watch for something in the Citizen this coming week.

Log in later Osiris, after you view the ad.

Rumor has it; there will be a full-page display ad similar to the one Jack Smith ran in the Citizen in 2010 just before the voters removed him from office.

Sheila Huddleston, Lee Hearn, George Wingo, and Dan Langford had a photo taken on Thursday 8/9/12 in front of the County Administration building.

After you see this photo, you will undoubtedly surmise that there just could be a connection between Huddleston and Hearn after all.

Jim Richter

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Early Voting & Absentee Ballot Information

Early voting for the August 21, 2012 Primary Election Run-Off for the Fayette County Board of Commissioners begins on Monday August 13, 2012 as follows:

Peachtree City Public Library, 201 Willow Bend Rd., 8 am - 5 pm M – F

Fayetteville Board of Elections, 140 Stonewall Ave., Suite 208, 8 am - 5 pm M - F

Tyrone Town Hall, 881 Sonoia Road, 8 am – 5 pm M – F

Absentee ballots: Click on this to print out the form:

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/elections/voter_information/absentee_ba...

Post 2:

First place winner of the July 31, 2012 primary David Barlow, a retired businessman Vs. Sheila Huddleston, a local attorney that was admitted to the Georgia Bar in 2010 (no relation to the Fayette County Huddleston family).

Post 3:

First place winner of the July 31, 2012 primary Randy Ognio, a successful local businessman and owner of B&O Electric for over 27 years Vs. incumbent Lee Hearn, a career government employee with the City of McDonough. He previously worked for Fayette County and Henry County.

Jim Richter

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Mrs. Huddleston Osiris

We see your signs are on Lee Hearn's signs. You're not fooling anyone darling.

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Huddleston and Hearn is just a rumor

Looks like Ms. Huddleston got fed up with Mr. Brown and the Barlow lies about her and Mr. Hearn. See what she just posted on her website.
www.electsheilahuddleston.com

I would like to resolve any misconceived perception that my campaign is associated with Mr. Hearn’s campaign. This is simply not the case and never has been. In fact Mr. Hearn and I respectfully have differences of opinions when it comes to Fayette County and what is best for the residents and communities. These rumors have been started by my opponent’s supporters and current commissioner Steve Brown to intentionally draw attention away from their candidates and to sway my supporters. This is typical dirty politics that I have avoided in my campaign efforts. However, I can no longer sit still and allow them to spread inaccurate and false information. Fayette County residents deserve better from their elected officials. Please help me put a stop to this type of representation by voting Huddleston (Post-2) on the August 21st runoff election. Thank you for your support and votes, Sheila Huddleston

I guess Morgan was right and that Brown is trying to sway folks to his choice to gain control. He really continues to get caught in lies and why anyone would trust his word and those supporting Barlow is just amazing to me.

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Shameless Spam!

As a part-time SEO (Search Engine Optimization) guy with quite a bit of knowledge of SEO. Please stop link spamming Ms. Huddleston's website. Quite frankly I am embarrassed for you and your tactics of "black hat" SEO.

Not cool when the website is associated with a current candidate.

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Even though it is nice to be right occasionally, it is so sad

that we have stuff like this going on. Fayette County and Peachtree City have so many positive things that make this a wonderful place to live. It would be nice have representatives that reflect our overall happiness instead of going the other way and making it appear to outsiders that we are spawning politicians that appear to be part of Obama's Chicago mafia.

Still can't imagine any of our past leaders or candidates getting into this type of petty gotcha politics. It all started in 2000.

Yes, Ms. Huddleston seems to be the big winner from this flap, if enough people pay attention.

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I will vote for Huddleston

and of course Ognio, but I really don't care whether Brown becomes the Chariman or not. He was voted out of Peachtree City in a very big way and if he wants to stroke himself on the County Commission Chaiperson's seat - let him do it. Who cares anymore.

Of course I understand that people like this turn into a Westmoreland or an Obama, but I doubt Steve Brown has the skills to rise even close to that high. Let him be Commission Chairperson for a year and then burn out.

And yes Robert, this attack type politics did start in 2000 and even before with the Brown clown dissing and libeling Bob Lenox and Tom Farr in the newspaper. They should have all been sued.

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Early voting sure is handy.

I voted for Huddleston, again, and Ognio of course, regardless of Huddleston's choice of sign placement. I have had many uncomfortable dealings with people who prominently proclaim their piety and religious morals, but Steve Brown's rantings on this forum really sealed the deal against Mr. Barlow.

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My thoughts

Since my initial post last week, I have read all of the spin doctoring concerning the runoff election. I went to each of the candidates websites and developed my own spreadsheet to compare the candidates response to the important issues concerning FC.

I didn't appreciate the lies spread about Mr. Hearn. A sitting county commissioner needs to know the facts before he opens his mouth. One simple call to HR solved that. That being said, I will be voting for Mr. Ognio because I feel there needs to be a change. Mr. Hearn has shown that he does not listen to his constituants and has been less than forthright in his decision making skills.

I also checked both websites for Huddleston and Barlow. Both claim to stand for the people, transparency, are against the mismanagement of the by-pass, and do not associate with any special interest groups.

There are too many negative marks for Mr. Barlow. One should not have to be advised by Mayor Haddix or Councilman Brown to tone down his religious speeches. He needs to understand that he will be representing people of all religions. Mr. Barlows lack of education is a downside. Parlaying his his high school AV club experience into videoing court cases and council meetings does not give one the tools to help run a county. He only recently purchased a home in the county. Though by law he is allowed to run for office, he does not understand the history of the county other than what Mr. Brown is feeding him. He claims that others are corrupt, yet files bankruptcy twice leaving his creditors holding the bag. His communication skills (letters) also rival Mayor Haddix.J

I will be voting for Ms. Huddleston. The Attorney, who raised a family, put herself thru school and is now wanting to give to the community.

I believe these choices would provide the county with objectivity. My choice for Chairman is Mr. Oddo. He would bring the level head we need. Though I believe Mr. Brown has some very positive qualities and brings good ideas to the table, his antagonistic methods are not conducive in getting things accomplished and would not be worthy of the leadership roll.

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Your're pathetic too.

The history of the county dear Husband is that Lee Hearn and Herb Frady and Pothead Horgan and Jack Smith and mean old Eric Maxwell took advantage of us every chance they got. Mrs. Huddleston hooking up with Lee Hearn doesn't make our future any brighter.

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My new favorite voice of reason: husbandandfather

Well said once again and I agree with your choices in Ognio and Huddleston, as well as a thumbs down to Brown's mockery of anything resembling "leadership" and instead giving Oddo a shot.

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Husband and Father....Voting

Now that's a pretty decent piece of analysis and logical conclusions in my opinion.

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Steve Brown doesn't get it and wants his own good ole boys

Huddleston's positions from day one on her website.
http://www.electsheilahuddleston.com/issues.html

Huddleston's Set the Record Straight from her Website
http://www.electsheilahuddleston.com/citizan1.pdf
It does require Adobe Acrobat Reader on your PC

Wow concept maybe that is why you don't get it you never read it?

Na I bet you don't want her elected is because you have a great deal to get Randy and David to make you the high ranking grand poo pa of the circus and this would allow you to have you own good ole boy club. Gee how about a independent lady on the board to keep things in order and make the county proud?

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More Spam

I am going to start replying to all your Spam. Comments are fine and I enjoy reading the opposing view, but in todays day and age. I HATE SPAM.

We get it, and her website is already linked through SEO since she is advertising on The Citizen.

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No you don't "get it" Josh

Start complaining about how your fellow goof "americanpatriots" posts the same stupid message anywhere he can, along with the EIGHT times he posted the same message in 8 different places two weeks ago. You remember? The one about about how Huddleston is a Lee Hearn ally and didn't file her campaign disclosures on time? Yeah, hypocrisy rules with your group and you could care less about Fayette County as long as "your guy" wins.

Maybe "americanpatriots" needs the same talking-to that Don Haddix had to give Barlow about how you're not running for Preacher but for a political seat. Have to give Don credit on that one.

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Huddleston/Hearn winning makes someone else chairman

I explained it before, but all possible combinations of winners in the runoff get Brown as chairperson - except for one and that is Huddleston and Hearn winning - there you get either Oddo (great choice) or Hearn (ugh!) as chairperson. I think Hearn, his pro county employee followers and his real estate supporters conjured up the Hearn/Huddleston alliance in the hope that the anti-Brown votes migrate to them. Seriously doubt that is going to work for Huddleston, but it might for Hearn.

So what you get out of all that is Barlow and Hearn and I see no other chairman candidate that can get 3 votes other than Brown. It make take 3 or 4 ballots, but he'll wear them down. Just get used to the idea and move on. It is only for a year or two. I mean what can happen.

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Flush with sweet victory

With the sweeping victory comes high expectations. If every one else is an idiot, Then it should be easy to spectacularly surpass them. Right ?

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Huddleston has come out of the closet

We had speculated for a while that Sheila Huddleston was probably teaming with the Frady-Hearn-Horgan contingent behind the scenes.

Now we know for sure that it's true. Huddleston and incumbent Lee Hearn thought it would be to their advantage to make the alliance known publicly and Huddleston campaign signs are now attached to all the Hearn campaign signs.

So the lines are now clearly drawn:

Hearn/Huddleston:
West Fayetteville Bypass
Deficit Spending
Fire Fund Collapse (PTC and Fayetteville are the losers)
No Bid Contracts for Services
Continue in the Regional Mass Transit Plans

Barlow/Ognio:
They oppose all of the above.

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Nuk smarty pants

You don't fasten your signs to Lee Hearn's signs and run a joint campaign because you disagree with him on the issues.

Jack Smtih and Ken Steele (both Hearn/Huddleston supporters) lied through their teeth telling us they did not favor mass transit in Fayette County, but they voted in favor of plans that included Fayette every time.

We have seen it before and voted it out.

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More lies from Steve Brown...yet again

If Brown really thinks Barlow is the obviously better choice, why does he continue to LIE about what Huddleston has stated as her positions?

Huddleston is against both the WFB and EFB and clearly states that personal enrichment was behind some of the decisions made. That sound like a Lee Hearn position to you, Steve?

Huddleston is for zero-based budgeting, as is Ognio. Real radical here!

Huddleston totally against TSPLOST

Huddleston is for leaving the ARC and FC having its own transportation plan. Again, if that's a Hearn/Horgan?Frady position, they did a great job lying about that too. It must be contagious.

None of these positions are new and have been on her website for months. Too bad the stupids can't read and can only regurgitate what they have been told to say from others who have shown a lot of problem with the truth.

Brown knows all of this and continues to simply lie about Huddleston's positions. For someone who is always sure he's 100% right on EVERYTHING, Brown has had quite a past week where he's lied several times and been busted over and over on it.

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Peter, you did a great job on writing her points. They don't call you the maharishi of spin for nothing!

The joint campaigning with Lee Hearn is an obvious sign of where Ms. Huddleston is heading too. Peter, not even you could run Lee Hearn through the your "spin cycle" and turn his voting record around.

The voters did not want the TSPLOST, do not want the West Fayetteville Bypass, do not want no bid contracts and do not want to stay in regional mass transit plans. It's pretty darn clear that the TSPLOST - Jack Smith - Ken Steele - Robert Horgan and now the Hearn/Huddleston team are not in the best interest of the Fayette County. Just ask the voters!

And Peter, don't be hanging around with Egyptian god of the after life anymore - it's just a creepy combination.

The real fact is there is NO DOUBT where David Barlow and Randy Ognio stand on the aforementioned issues which is why they will be elected.

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Here ya go Steve Check it out

Have you tried to look at her Website? http://www.electsheilahuddleston.com
She is very clear on issues and where she stands and she has also posted the missing "who is behind me" disclosure statement and other information as well http://www.electsheilahuddleston.com/disclosure.html If you would actually read it and quit taking everything you read off the blogs for the truth you might be surprised to find out what some folks are thinking and saying isn’t really the actual facts. There are other reason for why things happen and if you read the CCRD she posted it explains the late file information. I have to say wow if this really all you can dig up you don't have much there. Also hummm person with a couple years living here vs someone that has lived here for 20 plus years all of a sudden has the counties best interest in hand let's don't forget those two bankruptcies and those poor folks he defaulted on. Guess if the county gets in serious trouble old Dave would know how to get them out of it Chapter 7.

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So, the people who heard the forums and saw her website

Steve, you must have zero confidence in your candidate to try to lie about such easily disproved issues. Anyone who actually attended a Forum or who has looked at Sheila's website heard with their own ears or can see with their own eyes. You must think they are incredibly stupid. Should they believe their own lying eyes or ears or believe you?

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Not calling anybody a liar (except for lobbyist Gene Drake who is working on the Hearn/Huddleston campaign).

The simple fact is the Hearn/Huddleston team - and yes it's a team (joint campaign signs and all) - are not going to take the people where they want to go. Look at the stands that Hearn has taken. We do not what to go there.

It's like the road to nowhere West Fayetteville Bypass that Lee Hearn clings too - we do not want it.

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I do not get the "opportunist" part. What exactly is the opportunity? Currently, I get voted down routinely. However, I will say that the voters (not Frady, Horgan or Hearn) have agreed with me and we have cleaned house.

I will bust my behind fighting for the constituents whether its the TSPLOST or the West Fayetteville Bypass or no bid contracts. I stopped paying attention to the personality attacks a long time ago.

There is no lie: Go look at the joint campaign signs all over the county. There is no doubt that Huddleston is siding with Hearn and we do not want to go there, never.

The lobbyist beneficiary of the TSPLOST, Gene Drake, is siding with Hearn/Huddleston. I am sure not going there!

I admitted that I was wrong on the defined benefits plan because the HR Director showed me section 19 in the plan that prohibited elected officials from getting the benefit. I am delighted that is the case because, quite frankly, Lee Hearn has done quite a bit to harm our county.

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Steve Brown's Lies Exposed

Steve - I find it interesting that you have referenced me twice in this blog string. I suspect it's because you are embarrassed (assuming you are capable of shame) that I was at the County Commission meeting last night and got to witness Lee Hearn exposing your false statements and/or outright lies. Let's recap for the citizens who weren't able to make it out for the meeting:

1: You have claimed repeatedly that Hearn is only running for re-election so that he can qualify for the Defined Benefit plan but at last night’s meeting the County HR Director confirms that commissioners are not eligible for the plan....Brown’s statement UNTRUE. But maybe even more disgusting was that after lying about the man’s intentions and essentially questioning his character and then being caught in the lie, you act like the child that you are and think you can excuse it all by saying, “My bad”. How about, “I was completely wrong and I apologize for the assault on your character.”? I wouldn’t accept “My bad” from my teenagers and I certainly hope the citizens don’t accept it from you.

2: You continually claim that Mr. Hearn has been Deficit Budgeting the past four years but he clearly shows that three of the past four years have had a surplus at the end on the year....Brown’s statement UNTRUE.

3: Your claims about the T-SPLOST as rated by the AJC….. Brown’s statement’s classified as FALSE.

There is a pattern here, Steve. You can’t stand on the truth…you make things up as you go along…you are incapable of working with other commissioners…you have no leadership skills. It is frightening to think that you are our likely next Commission Chair if Barlow and Ognio are elected. I can only hope the voters understand the consequences of this run-off.

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Thanks Cement Man!

I know Mr. Brown single handedly squashed your dreams of laying all of that cement if TSPLOST passed but it is a dead issue now. The voters didn't want it.

BTW, I do appreciate you using your real name on the comment section here. I give you two thumbs up. Some of those on here just like to stir up trouble while hiding beneath a rock using a made up user-name.

Josh

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Another nasty person

Efdrakejr, your language is over the top with the "butt monkey" comment. Why don't you tell us why you're supporting West Fayetteville Bypass Lee Hearn?

You need to clean it up a bit. You owe Josh Bloom an apology!

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Steve Brown Butt Monkey

A few things Josh:

1. When you say, "Mr. Brown single handedly squashed your dreams....", you come across as an over-admiring butt monkey. You may have noticed that the TSPLOST failed overwhelmingly here and also failed in 8 of the other 11 regions. I know your fearless leader likes to take all the credit and you are more than happy to give it to him but it's clear to most reasonable people that the citizens don't trust their government and don't want another tax. This is going to kill you and Steve-O but judging by the margin of defeat, I'm certain it would have gone down even without his extended 15 minutes of fame.

2. I don't know if you are trying to "out" me by posting a link to our association web site but, if so, you are woefully late to the party. I have often acknowledged on this site that I am the Executive Director of the Georgia Concrete Paving Association. In fact, I put my name and picture on here for the very reason that I don't want anyone to think I am hiding anything. I know you're an "SEO guy" but your Google skills do not impress anyone.

3. "Laying all of that cement if TSPLOST passed" would have been a terrible mess. Try those Google skills again, learn the difference between cement and concrete, and feel free to report back your findings.

4. Neither I nor the anonymous bloggers need your affirmation.

Gene Drake

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CEMENT: "...a powder of

CEMENT:
"...a powder of alumina, silica, lime, iron oxide, and magnesium oxide burned together in a kiln and finely pulverized and used as an ingredient of mortar and concrete."
CONCRETE:
"...a hard strong building material made by mixing a cementing material (as portland cement) and a mineral aggregate (as sand and gravel) with sufficient water to cause the cement to set and bind the entire mass."

Interesting, I always thought of them as one in the same. Thanks Gene!

Wasn't trying to out you since you use your pic and name in your posts. Not too hard to figure that out...plus, since I am somewhat new to the game of politics here in Fayette County I tried to do my homework on who some of the players are by reading past posts on the issues that are important to me. It wasn't hard figuring out your views, agenda, or who you are. I tried introducing myself to you awhile back but you were still fairly upset and didn't want to talk with anybody at one of the TSPLOST informational meetings.

I agree with some of your reasoning as why TSPLOST did not pass, trust issues with the government and new taxes. I don't mind fiscal responsibility in building roads which includes feasibility in plans. If that happens maybe we could be on the same side some day. Then the "concrete" could flow like water.

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Beverly Hillbillies To Blame

Good research Josh and don't feel like the Lone Ranger thinking cement and concrete are the same thing. Ever since Elly Mae Clampett took a swim in the "cement pond", most folks have used them interchangeably.

Gene

P.S. I gather you're a young man so you may have to Google Lone Ranger and Beverly Hillbillies too!!

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Good God Gene, get a grip on reality

Josh Bloom is a Steve Brown invention just like Ms. Fran Shelton was. johenry may be as well. This dude (Steve) has a lot of time on his hands - especially now the kids are back in school.Nobody except maybe Robert Rothley actually supports Steve Brown, he creates his own support group through multiple identities and imagination.

Not only does Steve Brown invent straw man opponents, he invents straw man supporters. The sooner we in Fayette Couny wake up to this scam, the better off we would be.

I am voting Ognio and Huddelston. You do know that Shelia Huddelston is related to the famous Huddelston family that founded Fayettte County and helped to create Peachtree City - did you know that? A vote for her is a vote for history.

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You have a funny point

My wife and I were discussing this last night
Do you think Mr. Brown created a persona to pander to the Jewish voters to support his candidates?

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No Husband, Steve Brown does not care about the Jews

Steve Brown only cares about Steve Brown and his image. The multiple screen identities goes back a long time. It is mostly harmless and sometimes real funny (i.e. Ms. Fran Shelton and Silence Dogwood) but it is misleading in the sense that maybe someone actually thinks that the brown clown does have support from others.

Jewish voters in Fayette County are not exactly a huge factor. Love them, yes. But big numbers - no. Josh Bloom comes across as an immature kid, but very contrived, so that is probably Brown as well, but it ain't working with the true believers.

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Gene: It's almost a pointless battle

Brown has convinced enough of the ignorant and easily misguided sheeple that anything he says is 100% gospel and that's enough for them. They'll never question ANYTHING Brown says and simply spew it all over the place without hesitation. Really, these are no more than wanna-be cult-followers who are incapable of thinking for themselves. "Gee, he seems like such a nice man and he works hard." PUKE.

You can expose lie after lie by Brown as has been done the past week where he really went off on a stretch of craziness that is even rare for him, and they don't care. They'll march in tune with that drummer and chant the praises along with posting whatever he tells them to.

This happened in PTC for a while, but thankfully the voters woke up and some of the sheeple either moved or didn't show up, judging from the huge drubbings he took against Logsdon and Ramsey. Steve Brown Part 2 will flame-out just as quickly and we'll all be able to breathe a sigh of relief.

Even better, Haddix will also be gone by then too.

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Brown is right! Again, and Again

Listen Nuk, and this is the God given truth.

I am hesitant of politicians and check my facts before backing an issue or candidate. My background is that I moved here a few years ago. I met Mr. Brown a few times around town and got to know him. I started hearing rumors about him and that he caused all kinds of trouble.

OK, I thought, I am going to find out for myself what all this so called trouble is about. I started do research on the man and how events transpired. I found that what Mr. Brown said and did coincided with what exactly he was telling me. I listened carefully to what he was telling me and then I would listen to all of my friends here in PTC on how they all hated Brown. I started asking my friends "Why do you all hate Steve Brown so much?"

I can tell you without any hesitation that not one of them came up with any reasonable answer as to why. NOT ONE! Most of them realized that they didn't like him so much is because the have listened to their friends on all the mean and nasty things Steve did to them, and then they realized that their friends did not know why they hated Steve Brown so much.

So....NUK, tell me. Why do you hate Steve Brown so much. Give me a reason. I think MudCat said Steve killed somebody...or even two people, but wouldn't go into much more detail. Please tell me instead of Steve Brown destroyed PTC as mayor.

BTW, I don't know why I am responding to you. If you can't even use your real name on here. I stand behind my comments with my name, you stand behind your comments with a fictitious picture and a false user name.

Josh Bloom

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Josh: Grow up and get educated

Maybe if you had lived in PTC during the Brown reign of error you would know something instead of the total ignorance you display here over and over.

I don't "hate" Steve Brown. I happen to agree with a lot of positions Steve Brown advocates. Steve Brown is also my neighbor, and he's a good neighbor and a decent human being when he's not going all political or lying here or in the newspaper. I can curse Brown's tactics all day long and that's only a problem with the simple-minded sheeple who don't have the mental faculties to distinguish political disagreements with human worth.

When you know what the hell you are talking about instead of being an acolyte and ignorant about everything, we might can have a reasonable discussion. Or, you can keep whining about me using the name "NUK" instead. Your choice. I could care less and I also don't know why I am responding to you either because I usually only have discussions with people who know what they are talking about, regardless of whatever name they use.

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I can tell you NUK doesn't hate Steve, I know that's the party line, and what Steve writes on here, but thats just another Steve Brown LIE. Kind of like the one about Hearn and the retirement package. You remember seeing that one Josh? Maybe you saw the one where Steve says what NUK, Morgan and myself believe, or endorse, did you see that one Josh?

The fact that you claim spam on one poster but have nothing to say to Richter and his multiple comments posted over and over and over, sometimes the same message posted into multiple threads, guess you never saw that one either did you Josh.

The fact is Josh, that your savior Steve deals in lies, half truths, and innuendo long before he offers up a fact. Then when he's called on it, he dodges the issue. God given truth Josh? Now you sound like Barlow.

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So you are for district voting?

That said SB is not running.

Vote for Huddleston.

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Opportunity - Mr. Brown?

Is having your guy sitting next to you that will take your lead. At least to me this is the way it sounds when your harp on about.

I have never seen a single co-sign to which you refer. Perhaps that they are only close to your residence, just to get you to post things on this board. Or perhaps it's one of Ms. Huddleston's opponents putting them there. I only believe what I hear from my representatives spoken and written, what I read and hear from you does not impress me.

You still have time to turn things around, just focus on solutions, present them, fight for them, but stop with the attacks and mistatements on other candidates that you maybe forced to work with in the future. How do you build a team for the county and your agenda by making enemies? The answer is you don't. Try your best to show that you can work with anyone and you might get something productive accomplish. Park your ego, if you can.

Study Don Haddix on how not to do things, he is your best reflection of how you look today. Try and be humble, listen to others, debate the issues, display intelligent and creative solutions, make the hard decisions, if you can.

Communicate positive things, inspiring things but above all show results with the least amount of money you can

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Mr. Brown - This

Voter is not voting for Mr. Hearn. However, having a sitting commissioner attempt to persuade those reading these pages with half truths and misstatements is at the very least unbecoming to your office. You sir do not come across as a leader and statesman. You come across as a political opportunist and hack.

The only thing you have accomplished in your postings is to harden those opposed to your "selected" candidate.

You clearly will become our next Chairman, now it's up to you to represent all of the citizens of this county with reserve and decorum. I think I speak for many here when I say that you are not raising the bar compared to our outgoing chairman.

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Mr. Brown - Ms. Huddleston

Then you are calling her a liar?

http://electsheilahuddleston.com/citizan1.pdf

http://electsheilahuddleston.com/issues.html

If you are going to spew this kind of stuff as a county commissioner, then you likely have a future in our state legislature, maybe beyond who knows? After all Harry Reid is Majority Leader of the Senate of the US and he operates on rumor too! Are you SURE you're not a Democrat? Can we be sure? Will you switch parties if you see you might lose a Republican primary one day?

Clearly you will qualify as Commission Chairman. We are all holding our breath in anticipation.

Between you and Mr. Haddix, I don't know which of you are more embarrassing to our community.

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No apology for defending the citizens against the TSPLOST.

Too bad you did nothing, Robert, could have used your help.

Interesting note, the only elected official who answered in "support" of the Fayette County Issues Tea Party survey on the TSPLOST was Brooks Mayor Dan Langford.

Mayor Langford is officially endorsing the Hearn/Huddleston team.

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Answering your question about the most embarrassing, PTCO

For now the answer is Commissioner Brown. Correct on the issues, helplessly addicted to himself on the self-promotion side. Forcing himself into the forefront on the TSPLOST thing. Again correct on the issues, but image-wise for Fayette County, not so much. He is now the most embarrassing.

Haddix is a local problem so far, but he is trying hard to catch up. The sewer and annexations issues coming up give him a big chance to pull ahead of Brown in the embarrassment contest. Brown's TV-5 pet that actually lives in PTC (in a storage shed, I am told) will push the Haddix foibles just like he pushed Brown's - remember the kid in the sewer pipe? Haddix may decide it is a good thing to go on TV and actually talk (like, you know, the way he , like actually talks) and he may do his ARC thing and again - actually talk. God, I hope not. But if he does, he zooms into first place on the embarrassment meter.

But believe me folks, Brown can catch up.

Ain't it great folks, just like the Olympics - we have two top contenders right here in Fayette County. Admittedly, the category of who is the biggest dork is not what most people would want, but hey! if they spell our name right we got Fame.

At he risk of sounding like an old fogie, do you remember the good old days when Fred Brown was Mayor of PTC and people like Rose Marie Woods, Huie Bray and Grady Huddleston were on Fayette County Commission and Trigg Darymple was school superintendent and no one on the school board ever got their name in the newspaper. Remember that? I do and things were better then.

What happened? Yankees? White flight from East Point? Is there something in the water that makes us stupid?What? What?

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Is there something in the water that makes us stupid?

No, it's our stupid that makes us stupid.

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Is this like your defined benefits claim?

Total BS?

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Huddleston has come out of the closet

Have you been to any of the forums? If so, you would see that Huddleston is NOT aligned with the Frady-Hearn-Horgan group. Her responses to the forums have been NO on WFB, zero-based budget, NO to TSPLOST, bid contracts for services. Reading is fundamental.

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Yeah, that's on her website too

How someone thinks that she's in favor of the WFB is beyond me, but leave it to the crazies to do everything in their power to slam her since she has the audacity to be running against David Barlow.

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ptctrader2010 - tell us more about Huddleston

Cal Beverly calls Sheila Huddleston the “unknown candidate” and that properly captures her campaign.

Voters no nothing about her, why she decided to join the race for commissioner, who her supporters are, what has she done to learn about the problems facing Fayette County since she is known to have not been to but one commissioner meeting and none of the budget sessions,

Where does she stand on the West Bypass and other important issues that she has not spoken about?

Since you are the only person that seems to have had any prior involvement with her that has commented about her past, maybe you could tell us more about her.

Jim Richter

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ON Huddleston..... Never On Time

Have known this "unknown" in the past. In a word... undependable. In something as simple as being "on time" to meet people day after day for a scheduled event, her track record was late more often than on time. This says something about the character of the candidate.

So No Thanks.

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Lookout ptctrader2010

I think she knows who you are BTW might be a bit Awkward at next event. But you couldn't give her that benefit at that time and now you bring it up wow. Class something she does have.

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Don't be so judgmental, she's a woman. Takes time to get ready

Just tell her county commission meetings start at 6PM - she'll be there by 7.

But seriously, I have a real big problem with people who are habitually late. Shows a complete disrespect for other people. Long ago it used to be cute, then it was a sign of how busy and important the person was (celebrities did this a lot), then it was racial (hispanic time) but now it is just downright rude. Same as people who don't use their turn signals.