The President’s take on race

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President Obama rarely misses an opportunity to insert himself into an issue. Last Friday, he appeared in the White House pressroom to comment on the George Zimmerman verdict. The president said he could have been Trayvon Martin. Not likely, given his private schooling and the way he was fast-tracked to success.

The president said the history of African-Americans partially explains the way many black people view the case. He spoke of blacks hearing car doors lock as they cross the street and of white women who clutch their purses tightly when a black person enters an elevator.

Then he touched on the real problem: “Now, this isn’t to say that the African-American community is naive about the fact that African-American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system, that they are disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. We understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.”

OK, but what about poor people in the same neighborhoods who don’t engage in violent behavior? What values are they being taught? Don’t they have the same history, but make different choices?

It is not news that much poverty in the African-American community stems from broken or never-started families; or that too many black men leave black women to raise children on their own; or that the way “gangsta culture” is portrayed in the media does not produce an image that is endearing to white employers; or that public schools in minority neighborhoods are failing to build the foundations necessary for a successful life; or that the abortion rate among black women is four times higher than non-Hispanic whites among 15-19 year-olds, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Abortion, which the president has done nothing to curtail, also devalues African-American lives.

The politics of race plays a role. When black people kill each other, or murder a white person, the president usually feels no need to comment (the recent murder of 15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton being a rare exception); Al Sharpton doesn’t march, Jesse Jackson doesn’t call for boycotts, or label Florida an “apartheid state,” as he did following the Zimmerman verdict. Are black lives only worth mentioning when they are extinguished by non-blacks?

There are black people who are disgusted by the behavior, clothing, attitude and language of some young black men. On the Washington Post’s website last week, beneath a transcript of the president’s remarks last Friday, a reader posting under the name “Chaquita1” offered a personal story about recently being on a train and watching an African-American woman give the evil eye to a pair of young African-American males in “gangsta wear” making a commotion. They became belligerent, talking about “the fat lady glaring at them.”

The woman arose, Chaquita1 wrote, “and said ‘Trayvon Martin died for nothing. His death did not empower you, it should have been a wake-up call.’ She then returned to her seat, looked straight at me and said, ‘You have white trash. We have black trash.’”

Discussions like this should be included in any “conversation about race” the president says he wants, along with how such attitudes and behavior contribute to racial conflict.

[Cal Thomas is America’s most widely syndicated op-ed columnist, appearing in more than 600 national newspapers. He is the author of more than 10 books and is a FOX News political contributor since 1997. Email Cal Thomas at tmseditors@tribune.com.] © 2013 Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

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Beware citizens of Fayette County. There is a group of people trying to re-write history on The Citizen. Now I don't know who they are - but Davids Mom will continue to express her opinion on subjects which interest her. She will continue to express her gratitude to her friends in Fayette County for erasing all the fears that she had of moving to the south based on her experiences as a child. The facts as I see them - many black people have overcome the past - some white people haven't ; most people in Fayette County enjoy relationships with those that have kindred tastes and interest; most people in Fayette County are secure in what they have achieved; and value the peace and quiet that is found here with neighbors who are proud of the school system, the neighbors who maintain their homes, and the freedom to worship or not worship as they please. Whether or not anyone responds or not is of no consequence. It is important that some who bother to read The Citizen have an opportunity to see another point of view. I thank the editor for giving all of us this opportunity. It's what FREEDOM is all about.

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Pity Party?

My great grand-father was a slave until 1865. There are three generations of college graduates in our family. No one I know of has been on 'welfare'; my children are college graduates (we paid for their college education and they worked); the current president is a 'black' - and his daddy did not pay for his campaign; - I and the women who belong to my sorority (over 80,000) did not have a 'pity party' in Washington D.C. this summer - just celebrated our 100 anniversary of existence in our country. Now if I was so inclined, I could correct your slanted view of history of citizens of the different ethnicities - but your comment regarding the American Indian and his 'privilege of living on the reservation' was enough to make many puke. Thank you for sharing your expertise. You have shared the reality of SOME white men who are insecure. YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY, There was a story in the news this morning about students in a Georgia college who started a 'white' student union. They noted the different organizations that designated 'race'. Some students of other ethnicities stated - why don't we just join ONE STUDENT ORGANIZATION? Ah - it's coming - Americans seeing themselves as one - not by skin color - but by kindred tastes and interests.

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again twisting what others say

I said,
"No one was ever treated as bad as the American Indians. They again, were never given anything. Today, most still live on reservations. One of the few things we didn't take. No leg up."

You ran your old ugly hide off to the top of the blog and said I said,

"Now if I was so inclined, I could correct your slanted view of history of citizens of the different ethnicities - but your comment regarding the American Indian and his 'privilege of living on the reservation' was enough to make many puke."

You twist everything. Nuke is right

Now if you really care to get to the meat of what I said, I will say this again.

"What you have is a group of whites (yes, does that surprise you?) with good hearts, that came from deprived backgrounds. It took their families many generations of doing without to get to where they are now. Many didn't, many died. I say good hearts, because they were the ones that fought in the war that one side effect was to make your group free. again, no leg up for that. They also felt sorry for you, possibly because of the way their ancestors were treated, and made laws to help you. You have been given, as a group, privileges, no other group has been given. You have been given those by good people. And for their troubles, you have abused them. You and the NAACP have DEMANDED more and more. Tell me, when is it going to be your turn to give? How bout starting by at least stopping the pity party and feeling like groups who were never given anything still owe you?"

Can't stand it when someone calls you on your BS can you...and PS ... again

"Tell me, when is it going to be your turn to give? How bout starting by at least stopping the pity party and feeling like groups who were never given anything still owe you?"

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Baloney

You can't compare the European races struggle in this country with those from Africa. The problem is from the color of your skin. If you have someone hiring 100 people, and they look outside and see 1000 lined up, you would be hard pressed to pick out the Irish, the German, the Russian, the Pole, the Jew - but one from Africa can be spotted a mile off. The rejection would be already written up before they walked in the door. Now sure, the Asian can be brought up as overcoming this visual stigma, but they did not have the same beginning as those from Africa.
If the slaves of this country had white skin, you better believe that the current ex-slave culture and society would be far different from what is seen today.

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Riot in California - for the race baitors

There go those 'white ' kids again.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/31/u-s-open-of-surfing-tur...

Come on people. Humans of all cultures and colors have those who misbehave. In California the races get equal 'billing'. Non- violent protests have been effective in US and Indian (India) history. There are 'black' people who have experienced the 'white' experience. How many 'white' people have experienced the reality of the 'black' experience in America? Why the rejection of even having the discussion? No talk of slavery or Jim Crow, just the reality of today. Not every small southern town has communities and businesses that are peacefully integrated. There are many who are proud of that reality in Fayette County. Why the insistence of denigrating/belittling a 'race' of people? Are you talking about your neighbors? The Civil Rights movement involved all Americans. I cannot remember one event that I attended in the late '50's that white students were not participants and supportive - even in Nashville! The 'divide' has been politically expedient - but that has come to an end. Americans need to unite as one people, proud of their unique cultural heritages - truly representing the people of the globe.

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I read these columns

And I want to puke at the mindless stupidity.

So much predudice and personal baggage bubbling to the surface.

Make Cal Thomas a black man for a day. Better yet, a month or a year.

Have him endure the countless slights and subtle insults offered up of one reason and one reason only.

Then have him rewrite the column.

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condition 55

What you don't get is that every group has taken it's knocks. They have taken them and moved forward. As a whole, you have not. A lot have, but some, want pity and more advancement for no reason. The cold hard truth is that some take the opportunities and move, for others there will never be enough given for them to get ahead. Everyone is not created equal.

Some want everything handed to them on a silver platter as an apology. The apology has been twisted and now used against us and turned into a race baiting industry where there seems to be no limit. People are sick of it.

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All whites have 'moved on' after their hard knocks!

What insight and intelligence: Don't you get it? There are no 'whites' on welfare; no 'whites' breaking the law, killing chikdren, not paying child support, - it's just 'us' under educated 'black folk'. Suggarfoot is an expert:

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What you don't get is that every group has taken it's knocks. They have taken them and moved forward. As a whole, you have not. A lot have, but some, want pity and more advancement for no reason. The cold hard truth is that some take the opportunities and move, for others there will never be enough given for them to get ahead. Everyone is not created equal.

Our hope is in our observing how citizens in Fayette County are/have moved on since the Civil War ( in the last 30 years). Suggarfoot is talking his talk, but citizens of Fayette County are 'walking the walk'!

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Ok, I'm getting tired of

Ok, I'm getting tired of repeating the SAME history lessons for you over and over, but here goes. I'm not Irish, Indian, or any of the following but here goes.

The Irish were brought here as the 1st life slaves. A half million, men, women, and children in one summer alone, shipped to the West Indies and the US. Look it up.

They were never given anything. As late as the 1850s, they were immigrating here of their own accord and starving. Again, no leg up. written accounts of slave owners laments that they own slaves because they can hire the starving Irish to work all day and if they die, there are thousands willing to work till they drop in their place to feed their families. They go on to talk about how they have to feed, cloth, and provide medical attention for their slaves. Read the truth if you dare. Irish, at that time, were Catholic and not allowed to be buried in the cemeteries of other whites. A friend of mine owns a cemetery which was out of town, the only place the Catholic Irish could be buried. Still no leg up for the way they were treated.

No one was ever treated as bad as the American Indians. They again, were never given anything. Today, most still live on reservations. One of the few things we didn't take. No leg up.

The Scotts were looked down on and treated badly by the English, yet they turned around and fought them and half our Presidents are of Scot birth. No leg up, just moving on.

The early Germans that came to this country were kicked out of Germany in the middle of a snow storm. They were allowed to take nothing with them, meaning no extra cloths, coats, just the cloths on their backs. Over half froze to death. Again no leg up. There were a bunch of Swiss you can throw into that equation. Still no leg up.

What you have is a group of whites (yes, does that surprise you?) with good hearts, that came from deprived backgrounds. It took their families many generations of doing without to get to where they are now. Many didn't, many died. I say good hearts, because they were the ones that fought in the war that one side effect was to make your group free. again, no leg up for that. They also felt sorry for you, possibly because of the way their ancestors were treated, and made laws to help you. You have been given, as a group, privileges, no other group has been given. You have been given those by good people. And for their troubles, you have abused them. You and the NAACP have DEMANDED more and more. Tell me, when is it going to be your turn to give? How bout starting by at least stopping the pity party and feeling like groups who were never given anything still owe you?

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So why even respond to anything David's Mom posts?

At some point, you, SL, and others are either responding to her because you love to argue or you just like to feed an internet troll.

You're not going to change DM's mind on anything. Why even bother trying? It's always going to be the same racial BS and the only reason she posts here is to annoy a lot of people. Stop responding to the obvious bait and just ignore her racial rantings 24/7. It's not that hard to do.

EVERYTHING she posts has to do with race. For some reason, that's not the only thing I consider in my life. I can't see how anyone else can be that race-obsessed but it appears some of you can't stop "encouraging" that garbage by having a knee-jerk reaction to the utter crap she posts constantly.

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Nuk it's my hard head I love to bang against a wall....

...it's either that or I'm just to dense to understand DM is part of the problem not the solution.

Her attitude is one of division and non-inclusivness. She wants Social Justice not Equal Justice..

True equality where NO ONE is treated as a protected class is not her goal.

Deep down I know all this...but... dang it beating my head against that wall just feels good sometimes..

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Nuk, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I finally came to the

conclusion that she is a plant or just a few cards short of a deck. Her ongoing blabbering about race regardless of the subject, her having marched with everyone except Sherman, her having family at every event and on and on. As i said before she reminds me of that old tv program with Paladin--they bother are fiction. For someone who claims to want unity and to 'come together', she writes the most divisive blogs imaginable--but always at the end that special little blurb about how happy she is in her own little utopia in Fayetteville--then on another occasion she blasts Fayetteville as a bastion of KKK members. She could be our barred little buddy except for the fact that he had opinions-albeit crazy ones-on every subject and she is a one-note song. I have chosen not to respond to any of her racist tripe anymore. I do read what she writes on here and mentally counts the number of times she mentions race, slavery, jim crow, etc. No one is fooled anymore. I agree that we all should just refuse the bait, not respond to her and let's see how long she keeps spewing her garbage. I wouldn't take any bets though---I think she would just keep writing and responding to herself (or whatever group 'she' is composed of).

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lol

you are funny (everyone but Sherman)

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Agreed, don't feed the troll

Her blathering about race has jumped the shark for sure.

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Nuk, you are right ....DM = internet troll

I think the deal is that Sl, and others like myself, hate to see the BS slapped up there and left to dry as the truth. (That is the way DM and NAACP roll, if you don't object they smear the dodo on the wall for the truth and try to rewrite history).

You are right, I think we have all come to the same conclusions, DM is very likely not one person, if she/he ..is...then they are a very troubled one, in which case, why are we talking to her like she is normal.

And the end result is we shouldn't bother, cause we all feel she is nuts.

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So can all agree

to just stop your responses?

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Proverbs 21:19

"It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman." Proverbs 21:19

DM just likes to argue and try to demean others. Anyone trying to have an honest discussion with her is just wasting their time.
She has too much hate and racism embedded in her puny heart to change.

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Joe Kawfi wrote:

DM just likes to argue and try to demean others.

LOL

DM may do her share of trolling, but she's not the only one....

At least they have each other...

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Ok...I won't respond if the rest of you want

but if the rest of you respond, I'm afraid I probably will too. She is a troll. I just hate the self centered pity party non stop and the rewriting of history that we owe her and her kind something. She and her kind actually owe the whites who have done quite a bit for them.

To say that is more than she can bear, but it is the truth.

There is a white backlash in this country and people like her have started it. Most, are now totally disgusted.

Case closed. I will say no more.

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suggartootsie and JoeyKowzie

We hear you. Loud and clear. Over and over and over. Just remember, there can only be a pity party if there is more than one invited:). Speak to anything you wish, as we all do, just not that, puhleeze.

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I will reject

my next invitation with pleasure. :}

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more rampant stealing
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Race Realtions

I realize that most blacks are good people. Still if you look at statics blacks while only a small part of the population commit most of the crime. And most of that is against other blacks. And what I have trouble understanding is how they then, rather than help law enforcement put more of these people behind bars, many of them complain about the number of blacks already in prison. A counterproductive attitude I'd say. At one time the lack of educational opportunities may have been a semi valid excuse for this behavior. Not anymore. Opportunities are there for those that want to take advantage of them. Not so much for those that refuse to learn proper English and wear their pants down around their knees. In the past most of the law abiding or good black people stayed silent as the race baiters and thugs took the spotlight and bemoaned the plight of the black man in prison. And I've always been told that silence is compliance. I think that trend may be starting to change though. More good black people are starting to speak out against the thugs. This above all is the best indicator that I've seen that race relations may be heading in the right direction.

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G35 - Thanks

Thank you for sharing your opinion and perceptions regarding race relations with respect and civility. There are civil discussions being held throughout the country regarding the unequal sentencing regarding drug laws in our country. Your perception of 'silence' in the black community regarding crime may be based on your exposure to the main media and possible lack of exposure to the black press and the black religious community. The black community is the main victim of black crime. High crime areas often are in areas of poverty, because residents who are victims, if they can afford it, leave - regardless of the color of their skin. The black community is not silent. The main press is beginning to listen. Law enforcement has been aware - but the residents who have to remain in the community have been intimidated by the 'don't snitch ' campaign.

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Still if you look at statics blacks while only a small part of the population commit most of the crime

I've had the opportunity to live in integrated communities all my life. Blacks commit most of the crime in black communities. The high percentage of criminals in the black community is undeniable. I would have to check if they commit most of the crime in this country (white collar crime included)

Many blacks are bi-lingual (black dialect/standard English ). Langston Hughes and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) and many other black and white authors have used black dialect in their books and movies. The Brits and Canadians are often complaining about how American regional dialects have 'ruined' the English language. We don't denigrate a Yiddish dialect or Gulluah or other dialects found in this country. In the business world , standard English is needed to succeed. Successful members of our diverse citizenry understand this. The dialects remain. Again, thanks for sharing your perception. Just sharing my perceptions and my reasoning for my point of view.

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DM-I need a password?
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Your perception of 'silence' in the black community regarding crime may be based on your exposure to the main media and possible lack of exposure to the black press and the black religious community.

This is just an excuse. If I have to know some password to some secret club or find some paper that I'm not aware of to hear these voices then they are silent as far as I'm concerned. These people have no problem getting their message out when they want it out.

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G35 and AGH

Password? Try Google. There is nothing in 2013 that can keep one from finding out what his neighbor is thinking on a subject. I know that many will not agree with the following article, for much of what is posted here shows that there is no empathy or understanding of living in black skin in America by some. To the younger generation, this is not an important issue - life itself is the issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/darron-t-smith-phd/the-deep-realities-of-w...

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Quote:

I know that many will not agree with the following article, for much of what is posted here shows that there is no empathy or understanding of living in black skin in America by some.

The following is an editorial. Please do not start commenting on how this and that is not true of all blacks/whites. I'm trying to state a general train of thought.

The writer of the article exemplifies the disconnect between blacks and whites. Blacks believe that if you don't agree with me then you must not understand me. And that's your fault, you need to make that effort. Find my voice it's out there somewhere. When you find it, they spend a lot of time bemoaning the history of blacks and believe that a debt is owed. This thought is pushed by the race baiters. It's how they make a living.

Whites on the other hand are upset because in their perception the debt has been paid. You see for me, my family was not rich and never owned slaves. In fact very few southern whites actually did. And I don't remember Jim Crow laws from anything but history books. Yet I'm being blamed for what some others did only because of my skin color. I'm expected to repay a debt that I had nothing to do with.

Unless we all stop looking to the past and look to the future with a sense of personal responsibility without regard to color there will always be a racial divide. I do agree that the younger generation has a better chance of doing that. When the people that want to take to the streets every time a trail verdict isn't what they want pass on, maybe , just maybe then.

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G35

Thanks for sharing your expertise and experience regarding the 'divide'.

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G35 & Password

Don't expect one of those from someone who doesn't know that Yiddish is a Language, NOT a Dialect or that being Bilingual means one can use more than one language NOT dialect. Better luck next time!

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G35...Not as long as the protest for Justice continue..

..even though justice was given.

Relations will improve once the old race baiting dinos pass on to their "just" rewards.

Then it will be "Just-Us".

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Lindsey-Protesters

As for the blacks that are out protesting I agree with you. My point was simply that there are some blacks that are starting to see the light. That is encouraging.

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G35 you are correct....

....The Old Dino's of Race Baiters inc...are slowly dying off. As they move on their "Just" rewards
we will find a whole new Generation of "Blacks" that don't think race is the only important
thing in life.

Like Dm lamented above:

Davids mom wrote:

for much of what is posted here shows that there is no empathy or understanding of living in black skin in America by some. To the younger generation, this is not an important issue - life itself is the issue.

Like she said... Most want to leave the past where it is and move on. You can't move forward while looking behind you all of the time.

Until those that always want to use the evil of Slavery as a wedge move on we will have to contend with the occasional rant from
Sharpton and those like him.

On a positive note these protest used to be Nation wide now we see them only in Urban depressed areas and the crowd is getting much older.

So sooner rather then later we just might really see a color blind Society. At least that is my hope.

EQUAL Justice for all. Now that's a Dream I have.

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G35 & Protesters

Even Leo Terrell, a known Civil Rights Lawyer & Activist, ripped Juan Williams a good one for his anti-verdict view---that's progress!