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Letter To Obama - Sent from 95 year Old Pearl Harbor Survivor !! Fantastic!!

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

" We're no longer a Christian nation"
" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world," America is mean-
spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)

I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president. You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle...

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

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A LETTER FROM A PROCTER AND GAMBLE EXECUTIVE TO THE PRESIDENT

THE LAST SENTENCE IS THE MOST CHILLING

Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends - an
acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated
speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the
foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does
business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as
"partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and
Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years,
made corporate history.

AN OPEN LETTER TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike
any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive
Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no
visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth
growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus
don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned
yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to
publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America '
crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style
country where the government sector dominates instead of the private
sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system
with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly
capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose
that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of
living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics
against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from
challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider
opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both
omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything
you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the
Limbaugh's, Hannity's, O'Reillys and Becks who offer opposing,
conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will
probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett
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This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it.
Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over
500,000 hits. Keep it going. All that is necessary for evil to succeed
is that good men do nothing. It's happening right now.

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Kawfi/Pritchett/Breibart/Williams FEAR MONGERS

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
Comprehension problem or lack of access to books and magazines?

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive
Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no
visible signs of support.

Ever hear of grants and/or scholarships? The man and his wife have been successful in their respective careers for years - and he's written two or three best seller books. His earnings have been published in every newspaper in America.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth
growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

I'm stopping here - because it's obvious this is the ranting of an ill-informed person. Kansas and Hawaii are states in the United States of America. Being exposed to an education in a foreign country does not make one un-American.
Conservatives have valid points regarding concerns for this country. It's narratives like what Pritchett and Mark Williams contribute that align the conservative message with 'looney tunes' - and does great injustice to those who can articulate their concerns based on truth and facts.

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Pretty weak attempt to defend Obama, David's mom

Scrape off your Obama Biden bumper sticker now before you get rear-ended. You don't want to be the last one off this sinking ship. Even the press is beginning to get it and soon Obama's approval rating will be right there at 12% - the lowest it can go.

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Mudcat - Not defending Obama

Not defending Obama - challenging some 'untruths'. Those who feel it’s necessary to create ‘facts’ based on ‘untruths’ are tainting the valid conservative point of view.

The use of 'polls' is discussed in the articles below. I'm sure you are aware of the validity of 'weekly' polls. The articles present different points of view. . . . I’m not discrediting or supporting polls. Heaven help us if we have leaders who govern based on 'polls' rather than the needs of the American citizens based on research. We have seen what happens when our leaders, media, individuals, etc. REACT to 'untruths' rather than researched 'facts'. Let's hope that citizens and our leaders will look for 'truth' rather than headlines and sensationalism. Mark Williams letter to Lincoln and Mr. Pritchett's contribution is catering to public 'ignorance' of facts. (Not to mention the discredited Breitbart) Sad.

http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/1/23

http://www.cdi.org/polling/9-public-interest.cfm

http://blogs.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/tag/approval-ratings/

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Ouch...12% approval rating

Perhaps that too can be "spun" in a way that would lay blame to someone else like......well like President Bush.

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POLLS : meaning

The ONLY time that polls of "likely" voters can have accurate meaning is just before the election of a politician or his nemesis.
When the voter's only choice is between two people, and the election is soon then they will vote as follows:
90% of the republicans will vote for the republican; 90% of the democrats will vote for the democrat; and the Independents will decide the winner.

At a time such as now, when we are at war and troops are getting killed and wounded nearly every day, and, unless we want to send a half-million more troops, threaten Pakistan and others with atomic annihilation, and begin preparation for it, we will leave the place as we found it! Also add in a bad recession with little, if any, end in sight, 10-15% unemployment and unemployment insurance running out; no jobs in sight and more lay-offs to come, and fools still raising taxes on unemployed people and complaining about the federal government trying to help with grants and loans, YES polls will then be skewed such that anyone in power will be blamed for the current circumstances---no matter who caused the circumstances!
Even individuals who owe a bunch on debts and on their very homes will blame who is now in power, whether they can solve it or not.

Even if the polls said right now that one side or the other was in favor 80%-20%, it would have very little meaning unless an election was very near!

We are selfish people, those of us with no problems with money and fear, blame those who want jobs, unemployment money, and free homes and relief from debt, when those with money might have contributed to the problems with war-mongering, and fortune seeking anyway it was possible.

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Ah nothing like a good...

commentary from Mr Commentary himself. I think you really did take that "blue" pill that Mike warned you not to take.

BTW, Dewey really won....in the polls.

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Bumper stickers

LOL! What happened to all of the Bush stickers that were on almost every car in Fayette County? Ready to take them back out? Get ready to put on the Palin stickers for 2012. . . . and good luck!

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DM

Palin is a gimmick being used to garner women's votes.
Ain't nobody that ignorant to try and elect such a person.
She will soon be a multi-millionaire with a radio show and with more "conservative" books selling well, and another less than hip Rush will have been born!
McCain lost but somehow republicans think she won.......money is all I know she won from desperate idgits!
At least we will select either Gingrich, Romney, or the squealing dude from Louisiana to run as the republican---Gingrich is depending on it. If Palin were a democrat, Gingrich would have already written three books about how dangerous she could be!

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Courthouserules

Yup.

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Bush bumber stickers

I seen one the other day. It said "Do you miss me yet?"

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Do you miss me yet?

I saw that one too! LOL

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A few more - I've been collecting them.

A few more - I've been collecting them. Casually thinking about printing a few up.

Bankrupt America? YES WE CAN!!

Somewhere in Kenya the Village Idiot is Missing

Suck It Up - You Voted For Him - NOT ME!

Kenya Called - They want their Marxist back!

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OMG Major Mike...

you are too much!!!!!! Now I got to clean the coffee off my laptop.

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Cyclist

I truly fear for my children and grandchildren. We have indeed reached the time that our Constitution speaks of.

Regarding the "miss me yet?" bumper sticker - I don't miss Bush at all. Bush was such a poor President (open borders, etc), that he is in part responsible for the election of comrade Obama. McCain was no better. Yep, I'm "Tired Of The Change Yet?".

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I understand MajorMike

Oh how I understand.

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MajorMike

Get a grip!!

A Democrat was elected President of the United States.

This happens in under our Constitution.

What do you fear for your children and grandchildren? A Democrat as President? What is that "time that our Constitution speaks of?" Someone you do not agree with gets elected President?

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Lion / $ / CHR /Bonkers / etc. ad infinitum

Bonkie,

You really need to cut back on the number of screen names that you use - it is, at times, irritating if one takes the other bloggers at face value.

In the meanwhile, I would suggest that you actually read the Constitution. It's really interesting!!

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MajorMike

I use one screen name--Lion. Too bad that this may irritate or confuse you. Maybe you are surprised that there is more than one person who disagrees with you from time to time.

I have read the Constitution numerous times and keep a copy at my desk. So do not lecture me on the U.S. Constitution.

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Lion: names

Major Mike thinks you have a lot of screen names----one of them even mine (courthouserules).
What makes some people so suspicious and afraid of what people wish to call themselves? Lion, I don't care what you use as a screen name!

Maybe we all need "PAPERS?)

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When the going gets tough.......

.....Obama goes on "The View"


Obama to appear on ABC's 'The View' on Thursday

Must be part of his "The Audacity of Arrogance" tour to try to convince the country that, by golly, he IS making a difference.

He sure can't convince us with the unemployment rate, tax increases (that he promised wouldn't happen, not one dime) healthcare, economy, foreign policy, the war, and the never ending bowing and kneeling to thugs an foreign dictators in hopes of appeasing them into peace.

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Kawfi and Pritchett letter

Just shows us that you can sell soap and be an ignorant, frightened liar.

The Pritchett letter is just a bunch of falsehoods and stupidity. What is distressing is the fact that it has gotten so much attention on the internet by the gullible-- probably those who listen to too much Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity,, etc.

A man who writes such a letter is "one of corporate America's true living legends"? God save us all from such corporate heroes.

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. . .then let's put the blame where it truly belongs. . . . eligible citizens who don't use their Constitutional right to vote. After witnessing citizens of other countries stand in line for hours in order to cast their vote - it is a shame that we have trouble getting 40% of US citizens to participate in democracy.

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Right - It's the non-voters fault

It's the non-voters fault that President Obama is such a screw-up. Now I get it.

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Let's DO put the blame where it truly belongs! I agree with you that 40% (or less) of any given populace in this country voting is nothing short of a travesty but that very lack of commitment by the American voting populace is merely a symptom of a much greater problem - our compassion being used against us. Most arguments, be they race, gun control, amnesty for illegal’s, etc., have been lost when the liberal element begins whining "it's for the children" or (my all time favorite) "where's your compassion".

Welllllll ....... I have NO compassion for those who are not truly deserving (deserving = taxpaying AMERICAN citizens). The baby mommy in Florida with fifteen welfare receiving bastards crying "I need help!!" in the media. Locally, the baby momma in Fayetteville with eight WGB (welfare generating bastards) aged 3 months to seventeen years house when her "section 8" house burned - I DON'T CARE. Perverts and child molesters in the community that can not live within a certain distance of churches and schools whining - I have no compassion. And finally, twenty million illegal aliens that NObama wants to add to the democratic voter rolls - the same argument remains; "compassion".

Thus, my appreciation of bumper stickers that have nothing to do with "compassion" and everything to do with the incessant whining of our socialist President.

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Liberal whining???? Major Mike

"it's for the children"

Isn't that the 'conservative' cry for non-cooperation with 'liberals'? The deficit will hurt the future generations! Let’s include Octo mama in that scenario - or those living in the hills of Virginia who keep reproducing at an alarming rate. I do have compassion for them. I feel that educational opportunities for improving their lives and health are most important in strengthening our country. Bush had some very 'socialist' tendencies, and people are upset because Obama has not done enough to 'change' things. Of course those who are angry are those who benefited the most under Bush. Those who considered themselves 'above' the 'lower classes'; (lower classes= those who supposedly contribute nothing to the great American society in the exalted opinion of the annointed). I wish my ancestors had the power to act on their lack of 'compassion' for those who treated them less than human (under the Constitution). . . but we would have been annihilated. I believe that surviving was better than the alternative. Your attitude - and what your attitude elicits in me and mine will be the destruction of this country. The 'blame' will be mine if I allow myself to believe that all 'Major Mikes' are as callous as you are. There are 'conservatives' who do have human compassion - and instead of giving someone a 'fish' - they teach him HOW to fish. I pray if I ever see you in person, and you need a helping hand - I'll be able to follow the dictates of MLK and not kick you to the side of the road because I DON'T CARE.
By the way - me and mine have been 'tax paying citizens in this country for well over six generations. Our blood was spilled in every war in this country - and we are proud to be 'tax-paying American citizens who CARE!

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Thanks DM

I knew, that with the proper amount of encouragement, that you would whip out that race card that you have been so assiduously hiding since about six months after the Kenyan was "anointed". No one mentioned race until YOU brought it up!! By all means, include the octo mom, she belongs on the rolls of modern parasites. You have become so very accomplished at milking a dead cow.

Geezz, you even invoked the name (initials) of MLK. What a laugh, most intelligent people understand that the message was far greater that the man. Even so, didn't he preach that you should judge people by their worth and not their skin color?? Yet again, when faced with that equation, you play the race card. Oops, I almost forgot, you played the compassion card too!

I believe that someone far more eloquent than I called it correctly. You're nothing more than "a racist old biddy".

Thanks DM, for providing this evening's entertainment. Now, take your sad collection of self serving catch phrases and platitudes and call it a night before you start stuttering.

ROFLMAO (really!!!)

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The Race Card? Major Mike!

The baby mommy in Florida with fifteen welfare receiving bastards crying "I need help!!" in the media. Locally, the baby momma in Fayetteville with eight WGB (welfare generating bastards) aged 3 months to seventeen years house when her "section 8" house burned - I DON'T CARE

WHAT'S THIS? THE RACE CARD PLAYED BY MAJOR MIKE ! I've never denied 'racist' tendencies - for I truly believe this is a racist nation - as you so eloquently illustrated with the above narrative. I do believe, especially since living here for almost six years, that tremendous strides have been made in race relations in Georgia. You are an old reprobate who will proudly display your mean-spiritedness until the day you die. But your influence will not prevail. MLK? You never got the message! Your words define your 'worth' - for all I know you may be yellow with black polka-dots. Do you feel better now that you've told off the old racist biddy. You're a big man Major Mike. I'm sure many here are proud of you. God bless. No laughter here regarding a sad representative of humanity – Major Mike.

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You're stuttering DM

You're stuttering DM. Again, than thanks for the entertainment.

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Would you please stop acting blond and tell all of us where we have a Constitutional right to vote. It's my understanding that the individual states grant us that priviledge, not the US Constitution.

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Mike K. - Davids Mom ain't blond!

Here it is in the U.S. Constitution:

Amendment 15 - "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Amendment 17 - "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof...".

Amendment 19 - "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

Amendment 26 - "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."

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Now Jeff

Let's not split hairs here. Amendments 15,19, and 26 set standards for states but does not grant the right.

Amendment 17 completely abandons state representation at the federal level by having senators represent their constituency vice their state. Nations such as Lichtenstein now have more representation in Washington DC than the state of Georgia.

Being blond and acting so is a divide I shall not challenge.

It is good hearing from you. Hope your summer is going well.

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Mike K - Summer's been hot!

Funny how the radio talk shows haven't been talking about global warming lately.

Splitting hairs? There are three Amendments specifically granting the right to vote and declaring that neither the United States nor the states can deny or abridge that right. That's an absolute prohibition, not setting a standard.

I never have understood the political rights fascination with denying that people have a right to vote.

How would you interpret Amendment 26 if it said- "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to bear arms shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."

Would that be a right or a suggested guideline for the states?

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Jeff-Georgia Hot!

States carry out elections, and that is where the 'right' of participation (voting) exists. Do individual states not have the wherewithall to deny ballot priviledges for convicted felons? The amendments specifically set standards as to what states may or may not do.

On your wordsmithing of the 2d Amendment, is something only Congress would attempt, and that being trying to enforce the impossible. Control of individual weapons was impossible to do at the founding of our nation just as it is now. For example, do you believe for a second that if all firearms were outlawed in Atlanta, one hundred percent of Atlanta gun owners would hand them over? A discussion for another day, perhaps.

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Global warming hot!

There's provision somewhere for denying some rights to felons.

My point with wordsmithing the Amendment was that if it was worded like that, it would be interpreted as an iron-clad right to bear arms if you were over 21. All I did was substitute "bear arms" for "vote".

If a state passed a law against blue-eyed people voting, that would be Constitutional from your point of view? If not, why not? It's not prohibited.

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Jeff

I misread you earlier post and attempted an edit, but as I saved it, it seems that some 'ghost' revoked that 'right.' Your point is well taken, however, I would argue that since it is the electorial college that is comprised of state delegates that actually elect our President and Vice, those delegates are chosen by states and are charged with voting the results of their state elections. Again, the right/priviledge rests with the individual states.

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DM and Jeff C the common misconception

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress . The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.

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Voting Privilege/Right-thanks opusman

. .when it's denied for generations - the terminology is unimportant to those who had to fight for the 'right'/’privilege’ to vote as QUALIFIED AMERICAN CITIZENS of a different hue or gender. Right? I guess that Georgia has too many Morgans and Major Mikes to be taken off the federal 'watch' list of states who may deny citizens this privilege/right. Sad. This too shall pass.

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DM

Please understand that the Jim Crow era is past, and reliving it on a daily basis only serves to weaken your valiant cause. Case in point: Those militant Black Panther types that just 'happened' to be hanging around a polling place in Philadelphia followed by the subsequent refusal to investigate/prosecute by this administration.

Could it be that a modicum of reverse discrimination has seeped into your persona?

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I wouldn't enjoy my life here in Fayetteville if I thought Jim Crow still existed as it did 20-30 years ago. I'm most grateful to the whites and blacks here in Fayette County who worked diligently to end that sad practice, Now about the New Black Panthers in Philly. Did you do some research? They were standing in front of a BLACK voting precinct is a majority BLACK neighborhood. Not one voter has complained that their presence intimidated them in the process of voting. By law - in order to prosecute the New Black Panther Party - there must be a valid complaint. The only ones who seemed intimidated were white members of the press who were questioning the Panther who was holding a nightstick. The video shows that the stick was not used aggressively or in any other way to intimidate the reporter. The reporter - did he issue a complaint? Black people in a black community going to vote are not afraid of Black Panthers. From the evidence obtained from the video, neither were the few white people who were entering and exiting the building. If you have other incriminating evidence of voter intimidation - present it to Eric Holder. It was poor judgment of the New Black Panther Party to even be there. Their statement was that they heard that some people might try to stop 'blacks' from voting. They should have called the police. None of the poll watchers assigned made a complaint. If you have further evidence in this case, you should present it immediately - just make sure it is based on fact and truth. No one is accepting statements based on 'opinion' anymore - and that's a good thing. Please - if you see where I am discriminating based on race - point it out. That has happened over the past four or five years in this discussion- and has contributed to my growth in the slow healing of 'racism' in my own 'persona'.

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At least you realize that the decision to place them there was ill conceived. My frustration with the Holder DOJ is the implied rampant refusal to give creedence to the whistleblower who resigned.

We in the south have indeed come a far distance since my childhood. As a highschool student during desegregation, it was apparent to many of us that had our parents not intervened, the transition would have been much less of a spectacle. After all, are we not of the Woodstock generation?

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I hear you Mike

Unfortunately the 'students' that I came in contact in Nashville were filled with a degree of hate that I had never seen before. Nothing could have prepared me for what I encountered there. I have such respect for the white and black students who stood up to that kind of behavior and maintained their non-violent mode. (Freedom Riders) I did not have the fortitude - and returned home to UCLA. That experience taught me to be grateful for the relationships that I had in Los Angeles in an integrated environment. I still have my friends of all races from my Jr. High and High School days - and certainly my college colleagues. We knew that hate and mistrust didn’t have to rule. My experiences in Fayetteville have been a testimony that change is possible. Good people with sincere concerns have been manipulated and lied to - by both sides of an argument. Truth will heal. (I'm a little older than 'Woodstock'.) LOL - but I guess the same 'generation'.

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DM -

Way to go by defending the Black Panthers "right" to intimidate other voters by standing out in front of the precinct with billy clubs yelling out "You're about to be ruled by the black man"!

New Black Panther Party Leader Video: ‘We Will See Caskets and Funerals in the Community of our Enemy’

What a fine group of individuals that you are standing up for! We know you DM - oh, we know you.

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Kawfi

Present your evidence! That is your right and privilege.

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Evidence

The evidence is in the video! Are you completely daft?

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Joe don't forget their "Kill Cracker babies"

or the " I hate every part of a White Cracker". "We need to kill'em all".

If that is defensible by some then there is no way to reason with that type of hatred.

The voter intimidation was obvious. They placed two militant military style dressed individuals one with a nightstick in front of a precinct threatening white people. It may have been a mostly black area but does that make it ok?

If two white guys in hoods did the same in a "MOSTLY" white precinct would that be acceptable? Of course not and for this davidsmom to try to justify it just shows we have a long way to go before racism on both sides is eradicated.

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The New Black Panthers

They placed two militant military style dressed individuals one with a nightstick in front of a precinct threatening white people. It may have been a mostly black area but does that make it ok?

The 'crime' is intimidation of voters. Now I'm sure that there are some (probably many) white voters who would feel intimidated by the KKK. ....but there are not many black folk in Philly who are intimidated by the New Black Panthers. I have never justified the act - just telling the truth. They didn't break the law unless voters complained that they were intimidated. If you can find complainants - get them and their statements to the DOJ now! Bringing this up two years after the election is very, very transparent. Conservatives have so many valid concerns - beating this dead horse about this particular branch of Panthers - who don't get too much attention in the black community, is just giving The New Black Panthers undeserved attention. Move on.

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davidsmom here you go

"The complaint said the three men engaged in "coercion, threats and intimidation, ... racial threats and insults, ... menacing and intimidating gestures, ... and movements directed at individuals who were present to vote." It said that unless prohibited by court sanctions, they would "continued to violate ... the Voting Rights Act by continuing to direct intimidation, threats and coercion at voters and potential voters, by again deploying uniformed and armed members at the entrance to polling locations in future elections, both in Philadelphia and throughout the country."

http://vodpod.com/watch/1687833-black-panthers-win-voter-fraud-wins-vote...

"Bartle Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and former aide to Sen. Robert F. Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Mr. Bull said in a sworn statement dated April 7 that he was serving in November as a credentialed poll watcher in Philadelphia when he saw the three uniform..."

"Courts consistently rule that physical violence or threats constitute voter intimidation, but, as today's conflicting rulings show, there is no judicial consensus on which nonviolent acts are legally considered intimidating. State and federal laws that ban intimidation don't offer much guidance on how courts should define it. The Ohio law, for instance, says that "no person shall … attempt by intimidation, coercion, or other unlawful means" to keep someone from voting. The most significant federal law banning intimidation is the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which states in Section 11(b) that "No person … shall intimidate, threaten, or coerce … any person for voting or attempting to vote."

http://www.slate.com/id/2109096/

It is all there if you have an open mind.. Looking at your post I doubt that you do.

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Panther Video

The link in your statement was not working - so I'm sharing this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Please point out the 'voters' who appear intimidated. Bartis Bull's statement is incomplete. What did the 3 uniform Panthers do to him? Was he an intimidated 'voter'? After two years - certainly there is an intimidated voter who can make a complaint. Reporters being intimidated do not fall under the 'law'. As your other article pointed out - state courts have interpreted this ‘law’ differently. Bring in the evidence - and go to court again. That video may be threatening to the 'reporter' - but the gentleman in the video standing in front of the Panthers really didn't look like he was intimidated as he rubbed his head.

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davidsmom obviously you have eyes but still cannot see

The law is fairly clear. Intimidation or attempted intimidation. Did you see the people both white and black.. btw the link is working fine..

Did you hear their statements afterwards? They admitted to it and said they will do it again.

"To support its evidence, the government had secured an affidavit from Bartle Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and former aide to Sen. Robert F. Kennedy’s 1968 presidential campaign. Mr. Bull said in a sworn statement dated April 7 that he was serving in November as a credentialed poll watcher in Philadelphia when he saw the three uniformed Panthers confront and intimidate voters with a nightstick."

Voting Rights Act of 1965, which states in Section 11(b) that "No person … shall intimidate, threaten, or coerce … any person for voting or attempting to vote."

Now tell what they did does not qualify again?

If that is not enough to take to a Grand Jury then nothing is.

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Talking about it on the web after two years is not very productive - right? Take your evidence to court; grand jury; etc. What WE see in a video is not evidence. Let the lawyers and legal system determine this. We are a nation of law. These clowns may have intimidated you - but not many blacks in Philly are intimidated by them - and the video that I saw supported my opinion. I'll look at yours now and get back to you.

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Your link worked - and it was the same video that I showed - except the reporter from Fox News gave his interpretation of the situation. I didn't see any 'intimidated' black or white folk in the background. As I said before, let the courts decide - take it to the grand jury. . .but the attorneys better have better evidence than this video - and some statements from voters regarding intimidation. Any other coverage than Fox News? I’ll look it up. Thanks for sharing.

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Reporter - Levanthal (Panther Video)

I hope you take the time to listen to his conclusion at the end of the video.

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DM - defending the indefensible

Your continued attempt to defend the indefensible actions of these two racist thugs show your true colors.

You and your comments are illegitimate.

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Would love to.. Oh wait that's the DOJ job..

Shame this administrations DOJ decided it was not worth the time..

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Corrupt Good ol' boys club in Atlanta Politics

Yup - The CORRUPT good 'ol boys club in Atlanta City politics were found liable for corruption and will cost taxpayers MILLIONS.

Let's hope that this opens up more investigations into this CORRUPT GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB and they all go to prison and we can elect people that will represent ALL of Atlanta. The airport needs to be privatized so it ceases to be a cookie jar for corrupt politicians.

Jury finds for Corey Airport Services in lawsuit against Harstfield-Jackson; city

A federal jury on Monday awarded $17.5 million in damages to an Atlanta businessman who claimed the City of Atlanta and Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport illegally steered a lucrative indoor advertising contract to a competitor with deep political connections.

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No corruption/malpractice in Fayette County? This is not the time to cast stones. We need to get rid of anyone who is fraudulent - wherever they live. (Judges, attorneys, businessmen, etc.)

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DM - If there is corruption/malpractice in Fayette county, why aren't you going to the authorities and filing a complaint.

The longstanding degree of corruption and racism in Atlanta city government is well documented and known throughout the state and the country. It’s been that way for years and will not change until we get some new blood in there.

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LOL - Kawfi

Do you read The Citizen? Two judges have resigned here - under unusual circumstances. I think the last election shows that Fayette County is also looking for new blood in government. I don't have to file a complaint - the citizens here are very astute regarding their Commissioners and members of the BOE.

Racism is an equal opportunity activity. Racism abounds and is destructive in many parts of our country. To see it in others - and never in yourself is foolish and does nothing towards the healing of this 'ism. Come on Kawfi - try to grow a little. It takes time - but in the long run, is rewarding.

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DM

The two racist thugs intimidating voters in PHL have already been found GUILTY!
The corrupt politicians in Atlanta have been found GUILTY! (Yet they will waste even more taxpayer money with their worthless appeal.

Growing is rewarding? - How would you know?

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Wonderful! Happy now?

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Not so opusman

Alexander v Mineta was decided specifically because DC was not a state and the Constitutional right to vote was given to people who lived in states. If you live in a state, you have the right to vote.

Article 1, Section 2: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature. No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen."

How are the House members "when elected" to be "chosen every second Year by the People of the several States" without the people voting?

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Wrong again Jeff

And this will get you more hyped up
"Just months after the Alexander decision, a 5-4 Court majority in Bush v. Gore "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote ."

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Still wrong opusman.

That's a convenient period you put in the Supreme Court decision.

The quote is more like:

"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College... When the state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the right to vote as the legislature has prescribed is fundamental..."

Bush v. Gore

Granted, in theory, the states can decide not to have an election to select their Electors in a Presidential election; the state legislators could appoint them. Do you think that's a realistic possibility?

Even if the states decided not to have a Presidential election, Article 1, Section 2, gives the people the right to vote for the House of Representatives members and Amendment 17 gives the people the right to vote for Senators.

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Once again Jeff you are wrong

Show any where in the constitution that you are explicitly guaranteed the right to vote.
You can't doesn't exist and you can disagree with constitutional law/lawyers, the supreme court and black letter law ...you are still wrong. No constitutional right to vote exists. Now, I don't agree with this and feel there should be an amendment but you base your logic on assumption.

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Jeff The actual ruling and interpretation
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The same link opusman

That's the same link I used above. It gives the complete sentence that you conveniently put a period in the middle of thereby changing its meaning completely.

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Sort of like editing and pasting - eh?

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Nope

Reading comprehension which fails to elude both
You and Jeff. Clearly makes the point that there is no
Federal guarantee of an individuals RIGHT to vote. That
Lies with the STATE. You cannot find one line ine the
Constitution that explicitly guarantees that right. If there
Was why all the push to create such an amendment...
Especially since you say it does.

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Opusman

You're making the same mistake I made, you actually think these people think.

They simply have an agenda.

I would recommend you give it up and do something more productive with your time, go vote in November.

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. . .because there were state and Congressional action/inaction that denied certain citizens in the US the right to vote. . .therefore amendments were made to the CONSTITUTION so that this right could not be denied by a state or an act of Congress..
Political Science 101. A moot argument - but open to interpretation.

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Opusman you were right

Mia Culpa. You were right and I was mistaken. There is no explicit right to vote in the Constitution.

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Jeff proverbs1:5

No Harm, No Foul
"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels"

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Double post

Double post

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Nothing changed

I actually lifted the previous period quote from a CNN article titled No constitutional right to vote. I'll be glad to send thatlink too. Reguardless the punctuation did not change content, context or interpretation there is no constitutional right to vote. Stop assuming and read the letter of the law/ruling it's background and foundation. So you're still wrong!

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DM and Jeff since CNN is your fav

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/columns/fl.dorf.righttovote.12.13/
Ps I read the entire Cornell doc. ruling and background cases you should try it

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Anyway opusman

Since nobody will answer how Senators are elected by the people as in Amendment 17 and House of Representatives members are elected by the people in Article 1, Section 2 without a right to vote, I'm moving on. The fact and reality is that every citizen can vote (except felons) and that is not going to change so the argument is moot.

However, I hear and see this occasionally on conservative talk radio and conservative blogs. Denial of the right to vote being so important to y'all begs the question: which group of citizens do you wish to discriminate against and take away the voting privileges from?

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I wish there was a right to vote..,

You are so eager to push your philosophy and left wing ideology you failed to read one of my previous posts. I'm in full support of amending the constitution to make voting a constitutional right.
I am in full agreement that voting should be a right and constitutionally guaranteed. Senators congressmen so forth and so on are elected because individuals are ALLOWED to vote based on eligibility determined by the STATE not the constitution. Just because your wrong and short sighted doesn't mean anyone is trying to keep anyone from voting.(You assume to much)

Not to be rude but I'm tired of talking to you.

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TTFN opusman

A Constitutional Amendment is not necessary. It's already covered in Article 1, Section 2 and the 17th Amendment.

How that translates into pushing a philosophy and left wing ideology eludes me.

Have a nice summer.

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Jeff C - an answer

I can answer that question.

The group that needs to be discriminated against are all those people that earn their living through government largess. It is a conflict of interest to feather your nest using the franchise. If you want to vote, then don't work for the government (contractors included).

Are you a government contractor Jeff?

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No PTC Observer

I am not a government contractor and do not receive government funds in any way, shape, or form. I'm just a taxpayer.

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Then you would get to vote under the "plan".

Now all we have to do is get the government workers off the voting roles.

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Thanks for the clarification!

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Constitutional Right to Vote

My relatives just got that right with the Voting Rights bill. Remember? I had relatives that marched with the suffragettes - for women's right to vote. I may act 'blond' - but what is your excuse? Don't they teach the Constitution and it's Amendments in Georgia? Some Americans may consider it ‘splitting hairs’ – but when you’ve been denied the right to vote in your own country/state – it has great importance!

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No, no, no, DM. Keep it under 40%. Look what happened last time.

That's how we got Prezbo. Too many people came out and registered to vote because Prezbo's political machine pushed the right buttons for the previously unregistered black voters - young and old, male and female, smart and stupid - all bought into the candidate's message - hope and change and were most certainly influenced by his race (the black half), his age and his "coolness". My God, what a huge mistake having this empty suit as President while his staff (who is actually running the country) still hasn't stopped campaigning. No, DM, let's keep the fringe voters out of the booth - they know nothing and vote for superficial things. And when that happens, you get a superficial President.

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An outdated response/.Morgan

. . from an untypical Georgia/southern male. Your breed is fast fading. Hallelujah! It’s not just 'blacks' that had unregistered voters, young and old, male and female, smart and stupid. It is just too easy to get you guys to come out of the woodwork. (Guys who have deep-seated fears of losing their 'white', male supremacy). The shield used to hide this fear is the conflict between 'conservative' and 'liberal'. Before the use of the 'southern strategy' - there was the debate between 'conservative' and liberal - but this debate did not divide us until 'race' was put on the table. We are moving beyond this lunacy - but it will take time to truly see people beyond the color of their skin. A person's words help tremendously in judging the true condition of their heart. Now the insults will commence – but this old black lady has heard worse – and has a pretty thick skin. You, Mr. Morgan and Major Mike, make my goal easier when you let your angry words against ‘black’ people surface in public. Others who have sincere concerns with ‘liberal’ issues and ‘conservative’ issues have found ways to discuss these concerns without bringing ‘race’ into the conversation – because they truly are not afraid of either ‘white’ people or ‘black’ people. . . just misguided people. There are ‘white’ racists and ‘black’ racists – but thankfully there are Americans who truly don’t give a d __ about race. I’m placing my bet on them to truly bring this country out of this mess. In the meantime – keep posting. Your words are educating many in how much work is ahead of us in putting race in its proper perspective. Thanks for your contribution.

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Despicable lies?

Mr. Estes has been listening to too much talk radio!

All of his despicable lies are quotes made up, warped, or taken out of context. As usual.

Despicable Lie #1: "We're no longer a Christian nation."

Actual quote:
"Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation — at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. - 2006 "Call to Renewal" conference in Washington, D.C."

Despicable Lie #2: "America is arrogant."

Obama was actually chastising Europeans for blaming America for everything.

Actual quote:
"There have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive. But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad." - Strasbourg, France on April 4, 2009.

Despicable Lie #3: "America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Actual quote:
And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. - Cairo University, June 4, 2009.

Mr Estes questions which ideals President Obama meant: " Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination."

He can rest easy that President Obama meant none of those as proven by the next sentence in his speech: "We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year."

Torture and imprisonment with charges and trials were the ideals we didn't live up to. Didn't you support those Joe?

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Leave it to a Carter lackey

Leave it to a Carter lackey to try to defend the dismal record of this miserable failure named Barack Obama. Good copy and paste job from Media Matters, Jeff.

You're grasping at straws here Jeff. He tried unsuccessfully to bring all other religions up to the level of the one that began this great country and what the Constitution is based on. He said "we are no longer a Christian nation". Nuff said. Case closed. He's nothing but a BLT Muslim traitor.

He said America has been arrogant. That's a heckuva way to 'chastise' other nations.

I would normally grant you the last one, but we live in terrible times, and we must do what is necessary to protect our nation against Islamic Terrorists (verboten in the Obama dictionary) who have no regard for human life.

You conveniently left out Michelle's "America is mean-spirited". Probably picked that up during one of Wrights BLT sermons.

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And the conga line...

just keeps on going.

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Tell a lie

. . and eventually the truth will 'show up'. Cha cha cha.